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Benoni

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DHK: Adam's sin was rebellion against God, nothing more.
God reveals His truth through his word. The Bible says: "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God."
How do you receive revelation--through rocking on your chair? You still haven't explained that to me yet.

Wrong. There are so many things that happened with Adam for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see (singular).

Yes faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. But what you are hearing is the letter that killeth; now what the spirit has quicken (made alive).

How do I receive revelation? By seeking asking and knocking; and being open to what God’s spirit has to say not the 10,000 daughters of baby-lon. It is the spirit of truth God’s Word declares that leads us a guides us into all truth, not mans systems.
 

Benoni

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Let me used God’s Word to show you more what I mean.
Since there was no church in the OT, I request that you stick to the NT.

You do not believe God speaks in the OT. You should take your own advise.

Study your Bible. Find out the truth for yourself.
Be as the Bereans in Acts 17:11
 

Benoni

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If you followed God's Word you would not believe in the heresy of universalism.

Please if you are going to attack someone’s believe let us use God’s Word not our opinion. According to Rome all protestants were heretic; that too was an opinion.

Universalism is not unbiblical; it is just un-orthodox, orthodoxy is Biblical in the context of Baby-lon. Notice who the false prophet; notice the content of the verse.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

This is what you are preaching not me; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth. No they bring damnations to billions, total annihilation and destruction , perish etc.

Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; you are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.

No prove your point using the Bible instead of your bias opinion.
 

Benoni

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If you followed God's Word you would not believe in the heresy of universalism.

Please if you are going to attack someone’s believe let us use God’s Word not our opinion. According to Rome all protestants were heretic; that too was an opinion.

Universalism is not unbiblical; it is just un-orthodox, orthodoxy is Biblical in the context of Baby-lon. Notice who the false prophet; notice the content of the verse.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

This is what you are preaching not me; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth. No they bring damnations to billions, total annihilation and destruction , perish etc.

Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; you are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.

No prove your point using the Bible instead of your bias opinion.[/QUOTE]
 

Benoni

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He didn't hear God. He studied the Bible, and Biblical truth was revealed to him through study.

You got to be kidding me. Is God dead? You do not hear God is His Word? What is the purpose of God's Spirit? or do you not believe the Spirit of truth can lead you and guide you into all truth? or are these just words that mean nothing?
 

Benoni

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Only believers are the elect of God.

This is not true. Not all believers are God's elect only the overcomers.
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Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .
Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
The elect are those who have trusted those as Savior and none else. Those who have rejected Christ will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire and be tormented in its flames forever and ever.

The lake of fire is spiritual in nature; john was in spirit on the lords day. no where does it say in the Book of Revelation that John was being literal in any since of the word.

I know I am of the elect because I have trusted Christ as my Savior. I need no other reason than that. I do not need to question God, call his integrity into question or infer that he is a liar.
Do you?

These are not my words.

2Th 2:11
(ALT) And for this reason God will send to them a supernatural working of deception, for them to believe the lie,

The elect of God will overcome.

This is true but most believers are not God's elect.

In His great victory over the power of Satan He was a sign that pointed unerringly to another company of overcoming sons. In all the churches of Revelation there were two classes of people — those who were overcomers and those who were not. It is to the overcomers that the glorious promises are given, for they follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, have partaken of His mind and of His will, and thus are equipped to reign in His kingdom.

Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

Rev. 2:7. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

Rev. 2:11. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."

Rev. 2:17. "He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star."

Rev. 2:26-28."He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name."

Rev. 3:12, 13. "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne."

Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
 

Robert Snow

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Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste...

To present yourself as a theologian based on Strong's Concordance is the same thing as reading a medical textbook and calling yourself a medical doctor. Very dangerous!

But, even if you were correct in your presentation it would not matter. Your EGO and SUPERIOR ATTITUDE TOWARD OTHERS shows your true colors.

Also, considering your increasing combative attitude, your time here is probably coming to an end.
 

Benoni

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To present yourself as a theologian based on Strong's Concordance is the same thing as reading a medical textbook and calling yourself a medical doctor. Very dangerous!

But, even if you were correct in your presentation it would not matter. Your EGO and SUPERIOR ATTITUDE TOWARD OTHERS shows your true colors.

Also, considering your increasing combative attitude, your time here is probably coming to an end.


So in other words you your going to kick me off the forum because you are being shown you are wrong and do not want to hear it. How religous of you.


So be it.
 

Benoni

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Do any of you know what the Tabernacle of David IS.


Carnal man is the wicked and does not have the ability to hear God until he is first quickened for he is spiritual dead in trespasses and sin, does not matter if you are Hitler or your neighbor he has not been called. Please do not take this lightly for God’s Word is deep and it is spiritual but I want to start with one verse, notice the quote “who are called by my name, says the Lord” There is nothing literal about God’s Melchezidek Priesthood, it is one of the most hidden spiritual messages in God’s Word.

Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'

Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this

Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,

Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,

Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' —(Amos 9:11,12)
Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.
 

ReformedBaptist

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To present yourself as a theologian based on Strong's Concordance is the same thing as reading a medical textbook and calling yourself a medical doctor. Very dangerous!

But, even if you were correct in your presentation it would not matter. Your EGO and SUPERIOR ATTITUDE TOWARD OTHERS shows your true colors.

Also, considering your increasing combative attitude, your time here is probably coming to an end.

It appears the man is a universalist. These kind were banned from another Christian forum, and I think with good reason.
 

Benoni

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It appears the man is a universalist. These kind were banned from another Christian forum, and I think with good reason.


I agree we have a terrible message.

Luke 2:10 (King James Version)
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy,which shall be to all people.
 

Robert Snow

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It appears the man is a universalist. These kind were banned from another Christian forum, and I think with good reason.

He appears to be a Universalist who is also a Calvinist and an Armenian. And, regardless of which position anyone takes in discussing anything with him, it ends up that the problem is no one is able to understand the Holy Spirit except him.

So we should all just shut up and let him teach us, because if we don't listen to him it is because we are not spiritually-minded.
 

Benoni

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He appears to be a Universalist who is also a Calvinist and an Armenian. And, regardless of which position anyone takes in discussing anything with him, it ends up that the problem is no one is able to understand the Holy Spirit except him.

So we should all just shut up and let him teach us, because if we don't listen to him it is because we are not spiritually-minded.

All this is, is a personal attack because you have no message. Please if I say anything that I do not back with God's Word please show me. The real problem here is you have tried your whole life to box God up in your religous man made box and He just does not fit; He is fare togreat and awesome.

So if you want to attack me use your spiritual sword the Word of God instead of your carnal sword your fleshly opinion.

Here is a perfect example from the Bible that show us we need to be seekers of truth and not sit on what we know; most of these are hidden from the religious mind, carnal mind but God does reveal them to His babes/ His out called/His overcomers.

I cannot and will not fit God’s Word in a man made box; it is like a river that flows and gets deeper and deeper; in fact so deep at times you cannot no longer stand; that is where faith comes in.

Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Broken Cisterns is all they have; Jeremiah had it totally right. To look beyond those man made principles is so contrary to established creeds and doctrine; they are just like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages. Luther was a man who was called of God; Luther was not perfect; but Luther did something most Christians refuse to do; hear God and walk with the principles God had given Him. Lutherans today hear Luther and walk with the principle Luther taught them, and do not comprehend God’s Spirit has moved beyond Luther and his dead creed and dogmas. The Bible is not a law Book; but a living moving book that goes beyond the principles man made established icons.

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. example

Example: NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)
 

Winman

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If you followed God's Word you would not believe in the heresy of universalism.

Please if you are going to attack someone’s believe let us use God’s Word not our opinion. According to Rome all protestants were heretic; that too was an opinion.

Universalism is not unbiblical; it is just un-orthodox, orthodoxy is Biblical in the context of Baby-lon. Notice who the false prophet; notice the content of the verse.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

This is what you are preaching not me; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth. No they bring damnations to billions, total annihilation and destruction , perish etc.

Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; you are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.

No prove your point using the Bible instead of your bias opinion.

The heretics in 2 Pet 2:1 were not preaching damnation, they were preaching false doctrine that would result in damnation if others followed it, and would soon bring damnation upon themselves. This verse proves your doctrine that all men will be saved false.

Jesus repeatedly taught that the majority of men would be lost. He taught that only a few enter into everlasting life.

Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


And just a few verses later Jesus again shows that not all men will be saved.

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Again, your doctrine is easily demonstated to be totally false.
 

lori4dogs

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All this is, is a personal attack because you have no message. Please if I say anything that I do not back with God's Word please show me. The real problem here is you have tried your whole life to box God up in your religous man made box and He just does not fit; He is fare togreat and awesome.

So if you want to attack me use your spiritual sword the Word of God instead of your carnal sword your fleshly opinion.

Here is a perfect example from the Bible that show us we need to be seekers of truth and not sit on what we know; most of these are hidden from the religious mind, carnal mind but God does reveal them to His babes/ His out called/His overcomers.

I cannot and will not fit God’s Word in a man made box; it is like a river that flows and gets deeper and deeper; in fact so deep at times you cannot no longer stand; that is where faith comes in.

Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Broken Cisterns is all they have; Jeremiah had it totally right. To look beyond those man made principles is so contrary to established creeds and doctrine; they are just like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages. Luther was a man who was called of God; Luther was not perfect; but Luther did something most Christians refuse to do; hear God and walk with the principles God had given Him. Lutherans today hear Luther and walk with the principle Luther taught them, and do not comprehend God’s Spirit has moved beyond Luther and his dead creed and dogmas. The Bible is not a law Book; but a living moving book that goes beyond the principles man made established icons.

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. example

Example: NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)

You are certainly not alone. The Episcopal Church embraces your 'the Holy Spirit is doing a New Thing theology.' Their Presiding Bishop, Katherine Jefforts-Schori is also a universalist. When asked if Jesus is the only way to God she responded, 'I can't possibly keep God in that small of a box'. Sound familiar? Also, I'm surprised you make such an accusation against Lutherans these days given that many of the clergy in the ELCA are universalists.
 

Benoni

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The heretics in 2 Pet 2:1 were not preaching damnation, they were preaching false doctrine that would result in damnation if others followed it, and would soon bring damnation upon themselves. This verse proves your doctrine that all men will be saved false.

Yea. I learned a long time a go to let God's Word shape my belief, not let the belief re-shape What God's Word is saying.

Jesus repeatedly taught that the majority of men would be lost. He taught that only a few enter into everlasting life.

Really. Any verse you want to post I will be glad to respond to.

How about you respond to these verses?

Here are just a few for you to spin…..

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.

There is a hyper hole "grace is overflowed"?

Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)


Acts 15:14 Declares that he will return again and restore the Tabernacle of David and then he will save the remainder of mankind

Did you even read my post on the Tabernacle of David. Please respond.

Luke 3: 6 (amp) And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God
(the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever[aions of the aions].

Isa 45:23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Thats salvation

Ro 14:11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Php2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father.
There's just too many to pick from.

Jer.31
“The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD . 33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD ,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD . "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

"I WILL pour out My Spirit upon all flesh." (Joel 2:28).

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I started a tread on this verse why don't you join in with the debate.

Luke 2:10 (King James Version)
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy,which shall be to all people.

Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


And just a few verses later Jesus again shows that not all men will be saved.

God is not speaking to the lost here. He is speaing to us. You see the lost could careless about God's Word for they are dead in trustpasses and sin and find all things spiritual as foolishness.

When it comes to believers they reject the narrow way which is Christ within them; they follow, popes, creeds, dogmas, religion and reject the Holy Spirits leading.


Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Again this is speaking tto the religious not the lost.

Again, your doctrine is easily demonstated to be totally false.

Well you sure are not doing very good in your demonstation.
 

Benoni

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You are certainly not alone. The Episcopal Church embraces your 'the Holy Spirit is doing a New Thing theology.' Their Presiding Bishop, Katherine Jefforts-Schori is also a universalist. When asked if Jesus is the only way to God she responded, 'I can't possibly keep God in that small of a box'. Sound familiar? Also, I'm surprised you make such an accusation against Lutherans these days given that many of the clergy in the ELCA are universalists.

I am really not against any religion for Baby-lon is a golden cup in the lands of the Lord. Luther was but an example of men who hear God; not Lutherns who hear only Luther. There are many great spiritual leaders who have become someones pope. It is Jesus not Luther is the way, the truth and the light.
 

Winman

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God is not speaking to the lost here. He is speaing to us. You see the lost could careless about God's Word for they are dead in trustpasses and sin and find all things spiritual as foolishness.

When it comes to believers they reject the narrow way which is Christ within them; they follow, popes, creeds, dogmas, religion and reject the Holy Spirits leading.

You contradict yourself. According to you all men will be saved. There are no lost.

And then you twist the verse to say that Jesus was speaking of believers when he spoke of not entering at the strait gate. If that is so, then believers do not have everlasting life.

Matt 7:Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


I have seen a lot of folks twist scripture here, but you are extreme.
 
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targus

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The real problem here is you have tried your whole life to box God up in your religous man made box and He just does not fit; He is fare togreat and awesome.

On what basis can you say this?

You know nothing of Robert Snow or his beliefs.
 
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