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  1. bb_baptist

    bb_baptist New Member

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    NASHVILLE - The sermon at Glendale Baptist Church one recent Sunday recalled how Jesus mingled with tax collectors and prostitutes, refusing to snub people for the unpopular things they did.

    "What does it mean that God's love is for everyone?" preached divinity student and Glendale member Eileen Campbell-Reed.

    . . . Listening in the front row in her black sacramental robe was April Baker - an unlikely combination of open lesbian and associate pastor of a Baptist church in the South.

    Glendale's half-century associations with the Tennessee Baptist Convention and the Southern Baptist Convention have been dissolved over the past month because of Baker.

    Baptist officials said the church's choice to support Baker, currently its only full-time minister, left them with no choice.

    "In having a homosexual or lesbian minister, they are clearly endorsing homosexual behavior, and thus have defined themselves outside of the Southern Baptist Convention," said Richard Land, president of the SBC's public policy arm.

    Glendale's 250-member congregation has now forged bonds with more liberal Baptist umbrella organizations, including the Alliance of Baptists, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America.

    The church had belonged to the SBC and TBC since its founding in 1951.

    http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_2075592,00.html

    [ July 21, 2003, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
     
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  2. Rev. Joshua

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    Eileen's not a "divinity student." She finished her M.Div. and was ordained several years ago. She's a Ph.D. student at Vanderbilt. She's also a top-notch minister, and I'm very proud to have had her on my ordination council.

    Joshua
     
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  3. Gina B

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    He may have ate with them, but would have still thrown them straight into hell unless they believed in him and turned from their wicked, evil, sins. Wonder if that was part of the sermon?
    Gina
     
    #3 Gina B, Jul 2, 2003
  4. dianetavegia

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    I guess all those Thou Shalt Not's aren't in her Bible either.


    Diane
     
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  5. Gina B

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    Oh, they're in their Diane. But don't you know that if you go back to the original Hebrew and Greek, turn around three times after standing on your head, then look up every instance of "not" you'll find that it can be interpreted in at least three ways?
    1. Not: Word? There is no word after shall!
    2. Not: They possibly inserted this word as a scribal error. We certainly don't see it in the original text!
    3. It doesn't apply to the context you think it does. It really was talking about bagels. You're interpreting the word "shall" all wrong.

    If you don't agree with at least on of the above you must hate me. :(

    Gina
     
    #5 Gina B, Jul 2, 2003
  6. dianetavegia

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    LOL.. Oh Gina! I forgot to turn around 3 times... LOL

    Diane
     
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    Gina [​IMG] very clever :D
     
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  8. Haruo

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    Oh, they're in their Diane. But don't you know that if you go back to the original Hebrew and Greek, turn around three times after standing on your head, then look up every instance of "not" you'll find that it can be interpreted in at least three ways?
    1. Not: Word? There is no word after shall!
    2. Not: They possibly inserted this word as a scribal error. We certainly don't see it in the original text!
    3. It doesn't apply to the context you think it does. It really was talking about bagels. You're interpreting the word "shall" all wrong.

    If you don't agree with at least on of the above you must hate me. :(

    Gina     </font>[/QUOTE]Good show, Gina, but one critical error: Not bagels, pretzels: "Thou shalt knot..." (of course in Hebrew the silent "k" is not written).

    Haruo
     
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  9. Ben W

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    When Jesus encountered the Samaritan woman at the well, He said to her "Go and sin no more".

    We need to have that same attitude.
     
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    It is "go and sin no more", NOT "go, that is not sin no more".
     
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    Got the wrong woman. It was the woman that the fundamentist had found committing adultery to whom he said "go and sin no more." He set the woman at the well free to go and preach the gospel to the men in the town. Maybe the first woman apostle. :D [​IMG]
     
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    Bob,

    Where does the Bible say that Jesus set the woman at the well free to go preach the gospel to the men in town? Where does it say she preached the gospel at all?

    Not that there's anything wrong with a women proclaiming the gospel abroad; it's just that the text says nothing at all about the Samaritan woman preaching anything. All it says is that she went and told the men of that town that she had met a man who had revealed her life history and questioned them as to whether or not this was the Christ.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #12 Mark Osgatharp, Jul 3, 2003
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    Maybe Bob turned around three times after standing on his head ? :rolleyes:
     
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    The Bible prohibits women from being pastors. 1 Tim. 3 is very clear about this. In addition, the Bible constrains all sexuality not occurring within marriage between a husband and a wife. latterrain77
     
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  15. C.S. Murphy

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    I wish there were more Baptist pastors like you Joshua. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Murph
     
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    How sad. To have someone standing at the pulpit and breaking two of God's laws. I would not want to ever step foot in that church.
     
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  17. C.S. Murphy

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    Amen [​IMG]
     
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    I totally agree with NewLady [​IMG]
     
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  19. bobfrgsn

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    I wish there were more Baptist pastors like you Joshua. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Murph     </font>[/QUOTE]Murph you got this one right. I don't know Rev. Joshua personally but have been reading his posts on a couple of other forums and I think he is right on in his attitude toward ministry. We are of differing opinions on several topics ... but that what's great about being a Baptist ... but his heart (as far as I can see from his writings) is in the right place. What we don't need are so many smug, self-rightous pastors who condemn others and keep them in bondage ... I have noted this in some of the posts on this forum ... some of the posters actually seem to hate those who are not just like them ... for shame!
     
    #19 bobfrgsn, Jul 6, 2003
  20. dianetavegia

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    C.S. Murph: This sounds like a contradiction to me!

    You said:
    Either this is sin and this woman should not be preaching or Bro. Joshua is wrong.

    Diane
     
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