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News: Colin Powell Condemns America's Christian Right!

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Nov 15, 2002.

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  1. LadyEagle

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    Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, condemned America's Christian right yesterday for propagating hatred against Muslims, in what appeared to be a coordinated White House campaign to confront anti-Islamic rhetoric from a constituency that includes some of the Bush administration's staunchest supporters.

    Days after the televangelist Pat Robertson said on his Christian Broadcasting Network that "what the Muslims want to do to the Jews is worse" than the Holocaust, Mr Powell told a gathering in Washington: "This kind of hatred must be rejected."

    The escalation in anti-Muslim comments from conservative Christians includes a recent claim by Jerry Falwell, the country's leading rightwing Baptist, that the prophet Mohammed was "a terrorist"...(JS remarks edited out)

    ...As the likelihood grows of a war in Iraq there are strategic benefits for the White House in convincing Muslims that it would not be a war against their religion.

    The administration's increased willingness to confront the Christian right reflects the Republicans' sweeping victories in last week's mid-term elections, reducing Mr Bush's reliance on the extreme fringes of his supporter base.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,840568,00.html

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    If this appalls you, get active! [​IMG]

    E-mail Secretary of State Colin Powell at this link:

    http://contact-us.state.gov/ask_form_cat/ask_form_secretary.html

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    How the "religion of peace" treats Christians in other countries:

    http://www.persecution.org

    [ December 02, 2002, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: The Squire ]
     
    #1 LadyEagle, Nov 15, 2002
  2. Joseph_Botwinick

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    No big surprise here. Powell and Bush seem to have a love fest with the terrorists. They are definitely not on Israel's side...at least I haven't seen any evidence of this.

    Veteran evangelist Jimmy Swaggart followed that this week by calling Mohammed a "sex deviant" and a pervert[/QUOTE]

    PULEEEEEEEASE! Gimme a break. You have got to be kidding me.

    If this appalls you, get active! [​IMG]

    E-mail Secretary of State Colin Powell at this link:

    http://contact-us.state.gov/ask_form_cat/ask_form_secretary.html

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    How the "religion of peace" treats Christians in other countries:

    http://www.persecution.org    [/QUOTE]

    I'd hate to tell you this, but I have been active in e-mailing Bush and Powell and honestly, they just don't care. They are not listening to the American people. They don't care what we think.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #2 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 15, 2002
  3. Rev. G

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    I'm sure that when he declared this people were moved by the conviction and authority by which he spoke...

    :rolleyes:
     
    #3 Rev. G, Nov 15, 2002
  4. Jim1999

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    Yes, Rev. G, I was moved when Swaggart spoke about sex deviation,,,,,,,oh my, was I moved.

    Good for Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. It is about time someone spoke up and labelled these Muslims for what they are.

    The goal of Islam is to rid the world of everything that is either Jewish or Christian, and the sooner we realize this, the better off we will be.

    It is sad that so many people must suffer devastation in the process of fighting some.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #4 Jim1999, Nov 15, 2002
  5. Daniel David

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    Sheeagle, did you put this in for the sake of humor, or do you really think Swaggart is a veteran evangelist?
     
    #5 Daniel David, Nov 15, 2002
  6. LadyEagle

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    PTW & others, okay, okay. I just cut & pasted the article. I will now delete the JS part, since he is no longer credible.

    But that is not the point of this thread!

    Joseph, you are to be commended for emailing. But we must continue to email & make our voices heard, no matter what! One voice may not make a difference; many voices need to be heard. They may not care, but I'll go down with my last breath defending my beliefs based upon the Word of God! Will you join me?
     
    #6 LadyEagle, Nov 15, 2002
  7. Rev. Joshua

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    Isn't that theoretically the goal of evangelical Christianity as well?

    Joshua
     
    #7 Rev. Joshua, Nov 15, 2002
  8. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Joshua,

    Since the Catholic crusades (which I personally would not consider to be part of evangelical Christianity), there has been no moves that I know of to convert or die. I believe the purpose of evangelical Christianity is to keep lost people from going to to Hell. Yes, yes, I know, most liberals don't believe in a literal hell and are universalists who don't believe that a loving God would ever send someone to Hell. Of course, then again, I think those liberals are wrong.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #8 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 15, 2002
  9. bb_baptist

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    Next time vote Constitution Party.

    That will send a loud and clear message.
     
    #9 bb_baptist, Nov 15, 2002
  10. Jim1999

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    Isn't that theoretically the goal of evangelical Christianity as well?

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    The single goal of Christianity is to glorify the Lord, and spread the Good News. "Nothing in my hands I bring, simply to Thy cross I cling..."

    The single purpose of Islam is to take the world, even if it means killing the infidels. This is the only world religion that invokes violence.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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  11. InHim2002

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    how about the reformation in england? the inquisition in spain? the spainish conquest of the new world etc etc?
     
    #11 InHim2002, Nov 15, 2002
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    how about the reformation in england? the inquisition in spain? the spainish conquest of the new world etc etc?</font>[/QUOTE]Both the Spanish conquest of the Americas and the Inquisition were Catholic, not Christian. The Reformation in England had to do with the Church of England, which was basically Catholic in many ways (they had not split that far, and the fruits of that can be seen in England today). Basic, Bible-believing Christians are not famous for declaring war or mayhem...

    However, in response to many on this thread -- I have really mixed feelings about this. Yes, Islam is a religion of hatred toward others, promoting wholesale murder and destruction of those who don't agree with them. On the other hand, Bush is trying to deal with the results of their religion in such a way as to make it safe for me to continue writing that on the net...

    There is, in short, a season for all things, and right now may be more the season for diplomacy as every effort is being made to control the efforts toward mass destruction of which these people are capable. So comments from public figures which, in the name of truth, are made which can only inflame even the moderates of the opposition (whose even half-hearted support is valuable to us) are ill-spoken and ill-timed. In a way, they are aiding and abetting the enemy by stirring up hatred towards us.

    We really don't need more of that at this point in time. The truth can be acknowledged without pumping it out over the airwaves in such a way as to hinder our President's efforts to control mass murder.
     
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    Well, he's an expert on the subject of sex perversions and deviants, so I guess he'd know what one is.
     
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  14. Johnv

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    Interestering how when we speak of past Christian atrocities, we simply brush them off by saying 'oh, they were committed by one denomination that we don't even consider real Christians'. (How convenient for us)

    Yet when the mainline Muslim world refers to atrocities committed by members of Muslim extremist groups and denominations, we get to lump them all together. (Again, how convenient for us)
     
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  15. LadyEagle

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    So what are you saying, that there are only a few Muslim extremists and an entire religion should not be critiqued because of them or what is taught in the Quran in Palestine, Egypt, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kashmir, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the United States, U.K,, France, Germany, Australia, and elsewhere?

    The facts paint quite a different picture than the one "moderate" Muslims or Islamic apologists would have us believe.

    The facts show quite a different picture of Muslim tolerance to non-Muslims, including Jews, Christians, and other across the globe, including the fact that Al-Qaeda & jihad warriors not even associated with Al-Qaeda are known to be in at least 60 countries. All one has to do is look at how Christians are treated in 2002 in Muslim countries around the world....that, my friend is not ancient history.

    http://www.persecution.org

    I am not aware of Evangelical Christians putting non-Christians in old tires, dousing them with gasoline, and then lighting them on fire anywhere on the planet. I would like to see links of atrocities committed by Evangelical Christians. However, all one has to do is read the Internet and Daily Newspapers from all over the globe and the majority of mass murders, bombings, and mayhem is being caused by Muslims trying to take over the world. That is their mission, at any price, as stated in their own literature.

    And, bottom line, it is Spiritual Warfare.

    I think President Bush & his administration are wrong on this issue. It is situation ethics and political correctness.
     
    #15 LadyEagle, Nov 15, 2002
  16. InHim2002

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    erm?

    the church of england and the catolic church are not different? :confused:

    please explain the differences they have surrounding:

    women priests
    abortion
    contraception
    transubstanion
    the pope
    mary
    the saints

    etc, etc, etc

    sorry Helen - you are way off base with this - it is like me saying that we baptist are catholic
     
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  17. Johnv

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    So what are you saying, that there are only a few Muslim extremists and an entire religion should not be critiqued because of them or what is taught in the Quran

    No, I'm saying that there are many Muslim extremists that use the Koran to further violence, and that we should not condemn those Muslims who practice their faith in peace.

    I am not aware of Evangelical Christians putting non-Christians in old tires, dousing them with gasoline, and then lighting them on fire anywhere on the planet.
    Dr Martin Luther King would disagree with you here. Many Christians were doing this very thing to others right here in our back yard.
     
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    How did this go from calling attention to our government of the people, by the people and for people, denying what the people already know to an historical blast of Christianity? Islam has declared and is carrying out Jihad against the West and against America. We can pretend it is a few nuts, but we all know it is not. Somedays I can't believe the reactions of members of this board. :(
     
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  19. Paul of Eugene

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    I hate to bring up bad memories but . . .Don't the KKK consider themselves christians? Fundamentalists? Bible Believing? They've killed in Jesus name a few times . . .

    that's human nature for you.
     
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  20. KenH

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    As Christians we should not be bashing a people group, we should be taking the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ to them.

    Ken
     
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