News: Pres. Bush WH Ramadan Dinner Speech to Muslims/Powell

So, how many lost presidents in a row is this?

 

To what, I wonder? To the realization that our President is so to all Americans, not just Christians?

Perhaps from the dream of a Christian theocracy?

 

It is disappointing to hear our leaders praising the virtues of a religion that has declared war on us. As far as President Bush personally goes though, Kelly is right, he is the President of all Americans and it is a secular role. On the other hand, it has been the Muslims who brought the fight to us and even a secular leader need not smile and cowtow to them.

 

Well said Squire! You too SheEagle.

 

It is disappointing to hear our leaders praising the virtues of a religion that has declared war on us.

Islam has not declared war on us. Some Islamic fundamentalist extremists have.

 

I would like to know how you would determine if that happened. Many islamics have declared a holy war on the U.S. I suppose you are saying that those who have made the attacks don't speak for allah. Since we all know the one who is in charge of these groups it is not much of a stretch to believe that he and the religion as a whole have declared war on us. I am sure you know I am not speaking of ben lauden or saddam but the real leader of islam, satan himself.
Murph

 

ABSENT FROM THIS DISCUSSION, OF COURSE, ARE SOME KEY MEMBERS OF THE BB WHO, A FEW YEARS AGO, RIDICULED ANYONE OF US WHO QUESTIONED THEIR OPINION THAT GW BUSH WAS A GREAT MAN OF GOD.

 

Well, it's important to note that there are numerous Islamic sects, not unlike different denominatios in Christian culture. Same is true in Judaism. Just as we can say that Catholics don't speak for Lutherans or Baptists, for example, the same is true in the Muslim world.

The most heard of, and most militant are the Shi`i Muslims, which, in their various forms, represent some 10-15 percent of the Muslim world. These, too, are divided into different Shi'i sects.

The most common adopted form of Islam, though, are Sunni Muslims. The Sunni make up about 80 ot so percent of the Muslim world, and tend to be pacifist. Unfortunately, like the small percentage of Jewish Zealots of Jesus' time, the minority often are the ones who do the most damage (The Zealots often led political revolts, while the Hebrew Essenes, well, we hardly ever think of them).

There are definitely differences in how these two Islami groups see the western world (for the sake of arguemtn, Jews and Christians). The Shi' ites typicall see them as infidels (a word from the Koran), while the Sunni Muslims refer to them using the Koran reference Ahlil Kitab, which means "people of the Book (Bible)". Also, the Shi' ites are often cited as using the word Jihad to mean a "Holy War", whereas the the Sunni stick to the strict Koran definitin, which means a "personal struggle", especially one of an inward spiritual nature.

What I find most disturbing in the media since 9-11 is how little media time was given to Mislum world leaders who denounced Bin Laden and his actions. For example, the most prominent Muslim leader in the world, Shaykh Abdul Aziz al-Ashaikh, the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, proclaimed four days after 9-11 that "hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts". It got little press. Meanwhile, the press seemed to be all over Saddam Hussein when he opened his trap, and he's not even a Muslim religious leader.

 

As I have said in another thread, I am glad I am not the president. It is a secular office, but boy, I don't know how a Christian could be praising Islam so much. I just don't understand.....

 

This may be true, but there's no position in the world that justifies saying some of the things he said. He doesn't have to bow down to Mohammed because he's president of a bunch of muslims. lets take a closer look at some of the rediculous things he said...

"to help usher in the holy month of Ramadan." -Why is a Christian participating in false religious festivities?

"It has made brothers and sisters of every race." -The only true family of God are those who believe and follow Christ.

"Tonight we honor the traditions of a great faith" -Yes, lets honor a "great faith" that just also happens to be a completely false lie and is responsible for sending millions of muslims to hell because they placed thier faith in the wrong man.

"this season commemorates the revelation of God's word in the holy Koran" -The Koran is not God's Word and is certainly not Holy. This statement borderlines on blasphemy against God's Word.

"America honors your faith." -Speak for yourself George. Islam along with all the other lies of Satan can go back to hell where they originated from.

 

could you please point me to historical instances of Muslims changing liberal, democractic, christian societies into Muslim ones'?

notice the word extremist in that quote sheeagle?

ie. not the mainstream or the majority - but of course you'll ignore that and continue to argue that every single moslim is anti-american, or a member of al-quida, or anti-semetic etc etc etc

what would it take for you to acknowlege that the views of the extreme are not the views of the majority?

 

InHim2k,

The views here often represent the extreme right of American Protestant Christianity - so I guess it's no surprise that some here assume that the extreme right of Islam represents all of Islam.

Joshua

 

He doesn't have to bow down to Mohammed because he's president of a bunch of muslims.

He wasn't. In fact, Muslims don't bow down to Mohammed either. This is yet another common misconception. That's like saying Jews bow down to Moses.