News: SF medical marijuana

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Sorry, didn't realize what forum this was in.

[ November 06, 2002, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Candide ]

 

Good.

I'm all for the repeal of medical marijuana laws.

 

Driving home the other day, I had my windows down and a lady about 58 or so passed me as she smoked an entire joint between a 3 mile stretch in stop and go traffic. She caught every light and never hit the driver in front of her, so I assume it cured her eye sight pretty well.

I guess, given the choice between her drinking a 5th in those 30 minutes of driving or smoking a joint, I would have perferred her to do the safer thing and have been honest with her husband and kids and just admit she smokes weed. That way she could wait until she got home before getting high. They could lock her inside her room with some rock music a joint, a pizza, and a bag of lady fingers. Then the rest of us could drive home safely to our families.

When women want to smoke dope and DUI, I think they have gone too far. Someone is going to have to stand up to the weaker sex and bring all this sinning to a stop. As soon as I get my sins under control, I will start on these horrible people myself.

 

In other words, post-it, you aided this woman's disobedience of the law by not reporting it and then you made the excuse that you should not do anything until you are perfect yourself.

That's some kind of logic.

In the meantime, according to the medical community, there is nothing marijuana does that cannot be done equally well by legal drugs. In addition, the effects of marijuana on teenagers can be quite profound. I watched it during a teaching career. I watched kids go from eager to grow and learn to not caring. It's not a matter of the stuff being a 'doorway' drug, but of what it can do all by itself.

But then, San Francisco is San Francisco. I grew up near there and I remember when it was safe to go there on high school special dates. If we lived near there now, my kids would go there on dates over my dead body.

 

You might be right Helen, maybe I should have reported her. I have called in a drunk driver who was all over the road once. I guess because she appeared to drive ok, it never occurred to me to report her. But then again, I wouldn't report a litter bug either.

I also notice that when driving at night I won't report a driver I know is most likely drunk but seems to have control of the car, otherwise I would be calling the cops at least 2 times a week. Maybe someone should just pass a law, then enforce it for once. That might help.

[ November 11, 2002, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

This brings up a good point, do we share equally in a sin we see others committing if we do nothing?

 

I don't know about 'equally', but we are certainly contributing the problem if we are not contributing to the solution!

Perhaps the drinking driver who is fine tonight won't be fine tomorrow night. Maybe tomorrow night someone will get killed by that person. But if we had reported him tonight, we would have been helping prevent a killing tomorrow night.

There is no way the police can do it all. Either we do our best to help support the law or we had better not complain when taxes go sky high because we have to hire more police and then find ourselves hollering about "Big Brother."

YES report drivers who are under the influence! My life may depend on you having done that!

 

In Canada, the government made the medical use of marijuana, under a medical doctor's prescription, legal. It remains, however, illegal, even for those approved, to grow it.

The law suggests that marijuana does have some medical benefit in certain cases. I would have to ask my daughter about that..she is the forensics pathologist in the family.

It is amusing how the laws work sometimes.

Cheers,

Jim

 

It seems I have had more "close calls" from car accidents from people talking on cell phones than from drunks and the like. Do I then commit the same situation by calling the cops on my cell phone?

I can see the point about being "Big Brother" but I also see the problem with it. The same problem that sent the Pilgrims to America. Personal freedoms being taken away.

I believe in certain private rights even when those rights start to infringe on another to a small degree. After all, what can we do outside our homes that doesn't?

Littering of a burning cigarette can start a forest fire that ends up killing people. Are we to treat litter bugs as murderers? Freedom mandates that we put up with some minor infingments from others otherwise we would have to end hunting with guns, driving cars, public speaking, the internet.... on and on. We may as well move to China were we would all be turned in by our own family for religous violations.

[ November 12, 2002, 06:53 AM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

As the old saying goes: "Your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose."

Freedom is always a relative thing, and not absolute.

Cheers,

Jim

 

At this point, marijana is illegal, and as a Christian, i am to obey, not question or try to justify it's use.

But my personal feeling is that if alchohol can be legally used, than marijuana should be, as well. There will be those that abuse drugs, of any kind. Food, booze, sex, internet, can all be addictions that cause damage to people.

Helen is right, marijuana does something to young people. It takes the ambition of some of them, but not all. My company has very driven, accomplished, highly educated people that use marijuana.

Post-it is right, also. I would rather see someone smoke a joint, than drink.

But any medical benefit you recieve from pot is seriously compromised by the simple fact that you smoke it.

People are going to smoke pot because they like to, not because of it's supposed medical benefits.

 

I notice an easy, but illogical Reefer Madness shift to the assumption that smoking marijuana is a "sin."

But where are the scriptures backing that claim?

*edited by Gina to remove snide comment*

Note from moderator: This forum isn't to be used to promote your defense of marijuana. You're doing just fine in the other thread, you don't need two on the same subject going. -- Gina

[ March 29, 2003, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Gina ]

 

Jesus and his family disobeyed Herod's orders so there are limits on Christian obedience to the "authorities." Extending one's life and relieving pain are plenty good enough reasons to disregard marijuana laws based on absurd nonsense like—

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[/qb][/QUOTE]The lies used to outlaw marijuana are so ridiculous that the proper response to the term "marijuana crime" would be gales of hilarious laughter aimed at any lying proponents of marijuana prohibition, except for the fact that putting people in jail for "Reefer Madness" is no joke.

There was never any good reason to outlaw marijuana in 1937 and there is no good reason now.

Where is there any evidence of that? The Centers for Disease Control have never been able to connect a single case of cancer to marijuana use.

In fact, a 1996 Public Health Service carcenogenesis study showed that marijuana subjects had lower cancer rates than the control group.

Contrary to dopey prohibitionist assertions the scientific evidence actually proves that marijuana use measurably lowers pancreatic, pituitary, testical, mammary, uteris, liver and thyroid cancer risks. (Toxocology and Carcenogenesis Studies of 1-Trans-Delta9-Tetrahydrocannabinol In F344/N Rats and B6C3F1 Mice - Gavage Studies - HHS 1996)

Furthermore, your assumption that a medical drug has to be "safe" is utter nonsense. The chemo agents used to fight cancer are a million times more toxic than marijuana which has never caused a death.

Being a Christian does not mean abandoning reason and common sense. Using medical marijuana to relieve pain and extend your life is NOT a sin.
Ransford

*edited only to fix your links* -- Gina

[ March 30, 2003, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

 

If the marijuana helps the cancer patient, give it to them! The "pot" cancer patients take is grown in special places. It is not like the "pot" you buy on the street.

I say give them all they want, what...they gonna get cancer and die!

Sherrie

 

What's your definition of a false witness Ransford?
Gina

 

Oops, forgot to address this.
No you're not. You conveniently are ignoring scriptures that tell us to care for our bodies, to obey government laws, and every indication that being in a false state of mind is not a good idea.
I believe it's also biblical to have a little common sense, something that seems to be lacking in your arguments.
Gina

 

Ransford, this forum is for Baptists only. Your profile doesn't state you are, so I'm asking. Are you Baptist or not?
If not, there is a whole section called "Baptists and other Christians" you may post on, the rest of the forums are Baptist only.
Gina

 

False witness specifically refers to an attempt to convict somebody of a crime using lies and falsified evidence.


When myths are used to punish people who have done no harm to their fellow man, that's false witness of the worst kind.


Anybody who justifies punishing others because of notions utterly lacking evidence, either deliberately or through slothful ignorance, is a false witness.


I do not see how any Christian can back the idiotic claims used to put the prohibition laws on the books. The claims the drug warriors make are absurd beyond compare and nothing in the Bible suggests that believers should stupidly involve themselves in unGodly schemes based on lies.

Just imagine going up to the throne of God and asking for help to put over a lie about marijuana or some other drug!

The reasons given for outlawing drugs are lies, dissembling and utter nonsense. Indeed, drug laws cause far more trouble than the drugs. These things are condemned by God's word.

There are quite a few scriptures promising death to liars, perjurers and false witnesses, so it is foolish to make light of Reefer Madness nonsense when Christians have an absolute obligation to be truthful.

Christians are supposed to be honorable people. God tells us to stop lying to one another and that's a big part of my message.

I do not see how people can fulfill their Christian duties if they support lunatic notions that do not meet the lowest standard of scientific accuracy. It's just plain dishonest to knowingly certify a lie.

Believing in flat earth theories puts one at odds with God when the truth is known.

Especially when the fiction is used to injure somebody else.
Ransford