Nine killed in Tel Aviv suicide bombing

How many Palestinians were killed in April? 27 so far and 96 injured, as of 4/17. (Link to source- add them up yourself as my arithmetic is sometimes faulty)

If you want to argue that the Palestinians were evil and deserved to die, then think of the children (link).

There are two sides to this conflict although we rarely hear but one. While there are those that feel joy at deaths, I doubt they are the ones who want to negotiate.

 

Daisy, Which side is willing to stop the violence and co-exist? Which side is dedicated to destroying the otherside completely?

The Palestinians (which is actually a misnomer) are the ones who are determined that Israel must cease to exist as a nation. In all actuality, the "Palestinians" were given a homeland when Israel was formed. It is called Jordan... and is larger in area than Israel. The violence doesn't stem from anything less than one side's devotion to the idea that the other side must be exterminated.

 

Well, that's one side. Do you care that there might be another?

 

Yes. There is another side. The Arabs moved in after the dispersion of the Jews and after Islam came to dominate the region. There were a whole lot of politics relating to British-French domination of the region in the 20th century.

In order to give the Jews a homeland, the sovereign authority over the region, the British, gave sanction to a plan to carve out a very small country for Israel and to retain the remainder of Palestine and Trans-Jordan for the Arabs.

As far as I am aware, the Israelis have NEVER refused to coexist with the Arabs within the borders of Israel. It was only after they were repeatedly attacked from both within and without that they began to respond in kind.

Throw into that mess the fact that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all consider Jerusalem and Israel holy... and that one of those groups, the Muslims, think they alone are entitled to keep it to themselves, and you have an even bigger mess.

So the default question is: Who is trying to peacefully co-exist and who is unwilling to accept any outcome that does not see the total destruction of the other side?

The "Palestinians" may have some legitimate complaints. But the only solution they are willing to consider should be unacceptable to any reasonable person.

 

BTW, now that I have answered your question, please answer mine.

 

My question to anyone who supports or give sympathy to the members of the Islamic religion is. Have you read the Koran? If you have truly read the Koran and still support the Islamic religion in any form shape or fashion. I do not believe you can be accused of sanity!

 

If you want to argue that the Palestinians were evil and deserved to die, then think of the children (link).

You mean like the Palestinians ?
We know what they think of their children.

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I'm glad we here don't cherish our children as much as they do.

 

Thanks Curtis... Yes, they are teaching their children to be loving and peaceful... to be respectful and tolerant of their Jewish neighbors, huh?

 

Easy to tolerate folks, once their head is removed.

 

I wish to negotiate with the Palestinians through the means of reciprocity and accountability to achieve an independent Palestinian State. Unfortunately, to date, this common sense approach has not been tried. For some reason, they continue to give away land to the Palestinians for nothing in return and hope for the best. What was the definition of insanity again?

Joseph Botwinick

 

How can you negotiate with someone who wants nothing less than your complete extermination? Each short peace is only an opportunity for them to regroup, rearm, and recruit for the next series of homicide bombings. It is how the Koran teaches them to negotiate. Kill, peace, rearm, kill, peace rearm, kill.

Why is it ok for the United States to go after the terrorists who attacked us but its not ok for Israel to destroy the terrorists who keep attacking them?

Like it or not Israel is still the chosen people and when the final battle comes I pray that we are on the right side.

 

I suppose I'd better make this clear: In no way do I condone suicide bombing or targeting civilians.

Yeah, right - you say there is another side and then just give the same side as you gave before. And what was it? All of a minute or a minute and a half between the time you posted a question and the time you posted a request I answer? Patience, buddy.

Do American parents ever dress their children as cowboys? How about as soldiers? Do American children ever play "war"? No doubt when we do it, it's different.

Btw, my Southern nephews own a lot of guns including several rifles and semi-automatics which they are proud to pose with. Not one of my Moslem nephews has a single one. So what?

Granted Arafat blew it big time, but that's a stupid question because it presumes too much. Sure, a lot of Palestinians would love to see Israel not exist. Are you saying that no Israelis feel the same about Palestinians?

Hamas is a hardliner party, but sometimes the hardliners are the one who can achieve the unexpected. Was it a conservative or a liberal who nominated the first woman Supreme Court justice? Was it a conservative or a liberal who ended the draft and opened trade to China? Was it a conservative or a liberal who turned the deficit into a surplus?

What is the ratio of Palestinians killed by Israelis to Israelis killed by Palestinians? How many Israeli olive groves have the Palestinians bulldozed? How many Israeli homes have the Palestinians demolished? How much of Israeli tariffs have the Palestinians confiscated from the Israelis?

I have lived in downstate New York more than half my life - most of the time in NYC. The media has always been extremely pro-Zionist here. Whenever there was an attack on Israelis by Palestinians, the local Daily News would publish stories for days - the murders, of course (bread & butter of the News), who each of the victims were with photos and biographies, who their survivors were (many of whom lived in the area) with photos and biographies, eulogies from the funerals with photos of the grief-striken until it seemed you knew them personally. Each death was treated as a full tragedy (which, of course, it was). However, when Palestinians died, it rarely made the news - the names, ages and circumstances almost never did - some exceptions were made for very young children or a particularly compelling photo. (Note - the Daily News was renown for its photojournalism).

That's why it came as something of a shock and a revelation to me when I first heard the numbers of the dead cited side by side.

Negoiate or exterminate? I think negoiate.

 

Yeah, right - you say there is another side and then just give the same side as you gave before.</font>[/QUOTE] If you believe this then you didn't read what I wrote. I have read the history of the dispute. I gave a summary, not intended to be a detail.

It is different. We aren't programming our kids to hate people in those types of role plays... at least not en masse.

How many southerners do you know who believe those guns should be used to kill all the blacks in their area? And those who do, are they considered heros by most southerners? Do any of the southern states have as a constitutional goal the elimination of black people from their state? How many southerners are doing suicide bombings at AME Zion churches?

You are weirdly distorted on this issue in somehow trying to make the Palestinians the "victims".

Granted Arafat blew it big time, but that's a stupid question because it presumes too much.</font>[/QUOTE] NO. It doesn't presume anything. Once again, my question and answer are based on the historical FACTS and statements of these very Palestinians.

Good grief! All you have to do is read this most recent account.

Palestinians fired rockets at Jews. Israel responded with artillery. A suicide bomber blows a bunch of people up... and presumably according to you, the Palestinians are somehow not responsible... even as their leaders praised what was done!

No Daisy. Their leaders who are given popular support say it and write it into their charters. Are you saying that no Israelis feel the same about Palestinians?

I am not implying that all Palestinians feel this way... but by the recent elections and popularity of Arafat... it would appear that a very strong majority do.

BTW, there are also Palestinian Christians... who apparently have seen absolutely no need to destroy Israel. Why?

Non sequitur. Presumes way too much.

Nixon was not a conservative. Ex.- price controls.

Neither in reality, the Information Revolution of the 90's produced an incredible increase in wealth that temporarily outpaced the growth of gov't spending. However, if you want to give politicians credit... Clinton was still forecasting huge deficits until after 94.

Do you know... and why does it matter? What matters is "Who is the aggressor? Who will not accept peace that allows the other to exist?"

"Olive groves".

I have no idea... but I have seen Israeli soldiers forcibly remove Israeli citizens from their homes so the areas could be turned over to Palestinians... recently. All that in hopes of peace that was repaid by the election of Hamas and continued terrorism.

Sounds like a civil matter... that if the Palestinians don't like, they should move over into the designated Arab terroritories in Jordan.

... and the question is still: Which side would right now accept a peace that allowed them to peacefully co-exist and which side is devoted to the other's complete destruction?

You seem to want to put the onus on Israel... but one side can't make peace by itself.

The Palestinians obviously disagree with you.

BTW, if body counts meant anything... we'd be talking about America's great victory in Vietnam... and the south would have been declared the hands down winner in the Civil War.

[ April 18, 2006, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: Scott J ]

 

Condone? Maybe not. But you sure seem to be trying to rationalize them.

 

Were you responding to me? If you were, then I seriously doubt you read or comprehended a word I said.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Granted Arafat blew it big time, but that's a stupid question because it presumes too much. Sure, a lot of Palestinians would love to see Israel not exist. Are you saying that no Israelis feel the same about Palestinians? </font>[/QUOTE]They have probably never heard of the Kahanist movement.

Hamas is a hardliner party, but sometimes the hardliners are the one who can achieve the unexpected. Was it a conservative or a liberal who nominated the first woman Supreme Court justice? Was it a conservative or a liberal who ended the draft and opened trade to China? Was it a conservative or a liberal who turned the deficit into a surplus?[/QUOTE]

The comparison is not valid as none of those presidents that I know of achieved reform through the use of violence and terrorism.

Joseph Botwinick

[ April 18, 2006, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Joseph_Botwinick ]

 

Were you responding to me? If you were, then I seriously doubt you read or comprehended a word I said.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]No I wasn't responding to you I was just making a statement to anyone who tries to rationalize and feel sorry for the poor poor terrorists.

 

Oh yeah, well, I didn't mean it so much as a comparison as cause for a ray of optimism that just maybe if Hamas successfully negotiates a peace settlement that they won't be seen by the extremist Palestinians as "selling out". Maybe they can pull it off.

 

Right now, they have no real reason to do so. They commit acts of terror, and Israel gives them more land. Why should they make peace when they can kill Jews, whom they hate, and then take their land?

Joseph Botwinick