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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, Mar 20, 2023.

  1. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
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    There is a group of people in a isolated island and all types of communication to interact with them have been met with force... One missionary lost his life, a helicopter that tried to bring supplies had to retreat because of a hail of arrows and spears but the message is clear... Leave us alone... Do these people need civilization?... We think they do but I don't... Some say well these are heathens... We mean well but what if someone tried to change your way of life?... Do we know them?... Maybe they know to well the outside world and want to live in peace... We with we seems to understands their, good want good for them also, or do we?... No matter how you slice it down through history there has been good and bad... A group meaning well met with another culture who houses were on stilts... They decided that, that was wrong so not understanding against warning from from the culture they put their houses on the ground... When the floods came it destroyed all the homes... Some say well they meant well... How many meaning well over the centuries have destroyed civilization, bring diseases that indigenous people couldn't fight?... A multitude!... Many have said well they need to hear the gospel... I have a deaf son who never heard it, what about idiots, what of those who have deformities who can't... Are they hell bound just like those on the isolated island that just want to be left alone?... Are you telling me that Gods arm is short?... You don't know my God!... He saves to the uttermost!... All his children!... I included a link about those people who want to be left alone and below is a scripture from Revelation to prove Gods arm is not short as some think and John didn't lie... Brother Glen:)

    Revelation7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


    North Sentinel Island - Wikipedia.
     
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    I recall 5 martyred Christian men in the Amazon rainforest, giving what they cannot keep to gain what they could not own. God reached an unreached tribe with the gospel. When God wants to save this people, he will do so.
     
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    I agree but the thing is God saves by The Living Gospel (a person named Jesus Christ) not by the written, its called regeneration by The Holy Spirit alone... God shows mercy to all his children even in unbelief... Don't believe me?... Then argue with scripture... Romans 11 Begins... Hath God cast away his people which he foreknew?... The strongest language I know in scripture is GOD FORBID... I hear some say since I've been here these are just Jews... And I agree but there are more than just Jews

    Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

    29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


    30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

    31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

    32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!


    And I do agree with one statement you made when God wants to save a man he will do it... HIS WAY!... Brother Glen:)

     
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    Hmm...we are probably not understanding who Israel in the same way. In Romans 2:28-29, Paul tells us:
    For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
    In Romans 9:6-8 Paul tells us:
    But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
    This informs us who Paul is talking about in
    Romans 11:25-33.
    Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

    The elect and chosen people of the promise, the Israel of God, come from every nation, tribe, and tongue.
     
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