Not Everyone

[Charlie24]

Hello Charlie. Do you know that in eph 1 :3-14 is one whole sentence in the greek. Start at verse 3 and discover why people believe and see that it is the work of God before the world was, that enables such a belief. It does not start at verse 13 and go backwards, as you would have us do...ignore the first half of the sentence? No...we should rejoice and enjoy all of God's blessing to us.

Look guys, you can reject it, as I'm sure you will, but you can plainly see in Scripture that God has created man a free moral agent to choose his own way.

You can plainly see that through this gift from God, He doesn't always get His way with man.

I agree God is Sovereign over all things and matters in this universe, but He has blessed man by allowing him free choice.

 

[Zaatar71]

Spurgeon again;
They were not ashamed of the word in those days. They were not afraid to talk about it. Nowadays the word has been dressed up with diversities of meaning and persons have mutilated and marred the doctrine so that they have made it a very doctrine of devils.
When God’s Truth is stretched on the rack, we do not call it falsehood. We love not to see it racked but we love it even when racked because we can discern what its proper proportions ought to have been if it had not been racked and tortured by the cruelty and inventions of men.
If you will read many of the Epistles of the ancient fathers you will find them always writing to the people of God as the “elect.” Indeed the common conversational term used among many of the Churches by the primitive Christians to one another was that of the “elect.” They would often use the term to one another showing that it was generally believed that all God’s people were manifestly “elect.

 

[Charlie24]

Spurgeon again;
They were not ashamed of the word in those days. They were not afraid to talk about it. Nowadays the word has been dressed up with diversities of meaning and persons have mutilated and marred the doctrine so that they have made it a very doctrine of devils.
When God’s Truth is stretched on the rack, we do not call it falsehood. We love not to see it racked but we love it even when racked because we can discern what its proper proportions ought to have been if it had not been racked and tortured by the cruelty and inventions of men.
If you will read many of the Epistles of the ancient fathers you will find them always writing to the people of God as the “elect.” Indeed the common conversational term used among many of the Churches by the primitive Christians to one another was that of the “elect.” They would often use the term to one another showing that it was generally believed that all God’s people were manifestly “elect.

We must all make a very important decision in this life.

Is the God we serve a God that has chosen an elect group to be saved and left the rest to suffer in Hell.

Or is God One who desires all man to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth, giving man a choice to accept Him or suffer the consequences.

Even this is a choice that God has given to man, to decide the God we will serve.

 

[Zaatar71]

Look guys, you can reject it, as I'm sure you will, but you can plainly see in Scripture that God has created man a free moral agent to choose his own way.

We agree that man is a free moral agent, and can choose things, yes. Sin however has disrupted man in a way that cripples him and places him in bondage to sin and death. He cannot submit to God's word correctly. Have you seen this clear verse?
rom.:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[Do you see this last part? now look at what you have posted, and then look at what this verse says?] see why we post different things, you are suggesting that man by himself, can choose to be subject to the law of God...scripture says he cannot.

You can plainly see that through this gift from God, He doesn't always get His way with man.

God always get's His way..Isa, 46:9-11, psalm 115..read them, and let me know why you do not agree.

I agree God is Sovereign over all things and matters in this universe, but He has blessed man by allowing him free choice.

Again, man chooses according to his nature; have you noticed this verse?
Rom.6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

then here;22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

 

[Charlie24]

We agree that man is a free moral agent, and can choose things, yes. Sin however has disrupted man in a way that cripples him and places him in bondage to sin and death. He cannot submit to God's word correctly. Have you seen this clear verse?
rom.:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[Do you see this last part? now look at what you have posted, and then look at what this verse says?] see why we post different things, you are suggesting that man by himself, can choose to be subject to the law of God...scripture says he cannot.

God always get's His way..Isa, 46:9-11, psalm 115..read them, and let me know why you do not agree.

Again, man chooses according to his nature; have you noticed this verse?
Rom.6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

then here;22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

I don't know what Bible you're reading, it's surly not the one I read.

God does not always get His way with man, there is no excuse whatsoever to misunderstand this.

God has clearly, according to Scripture, commanded all men everywhere to repent, and we can plainly see that has not happened and will not happen.

All I can do is pray for you, @Zaatar71, that God will open to you the God He truly is, merciful and gracious toward mankind. Not willing that any should perish. But this is a choice you have made, may God help you.

 

[Zaatar71]

We must all make a very important decision in this life.

Is the God we serve a God that has chosen an elect group to be saved and left the rest to suffer in Hell.

Yes, he in Love elected a multitude of lost sinners to be the objects of His love. More than the stars of the heaven, or the sand of the sea.

Or is God One who desires all man to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth, giving man a choice to accept Him or suffer the consequences.

God desires all men from all tribes and nations to besaved, not every person ever bore, . Salvation is a work of God, not everyone is going to be saved. From post # 1, the first sentence; All men universally are not elected to salvation, it is undeniable from Scripture that God will not in the last day save every individual of mankind!

Even this is a choice that God has given to man, to decide the God we will serve.

The problem is sin. We make up our own god that does what we want him to do, but this is called an idol in scripture. We must worship the true and living god, who saves 100%. Thanks for those good questions.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, he in Love elected a multitude of lost sinners to be the objects of His love. More than the stars of the heaven, or the sand of the sea.

God desires all men from all tribes and nations to besaved, not every person ever bore, . Salvation is a work of God, not everyone is going to be saved. From post # 1, the first sentence; All men universally are not elected to salvation, it is undeniable from Scripture that God will not in the last day save every individual of mankind!

The problem is sin. We make up our own god that does what we want him to do, but this is called an idol in scripture. We must worship the true and living god, who saves 100%. Thanks for those good questions.

You're interrupting a promise I made to my God concerning my continuous anger management program with Him.

I tend to fall off the wagon from time to time, but I made a promise and intend to keep it to best of my ability by way of the Holy Spirit.

I'm sure you can understand why I have said what I have said and have nothing else to say.

 

[Zaatar71]

I don't know what Bible you're reading, it's surly not the one I read.

That is quite concerning! What version of the bible do you read?

God does not always get His way with man, there is no excuse whatsoever to misunderstand this.

Where are you getting this idea from? Could you direct me to where you think you see this?
Pharoah did not want to obey God, But God educated Pharoah on this.
Jonah did not want to obey God, but again sent a special teacher for Jonah.
What makes you think that God does not do with man exactly what he wants?
This King was given a vegan kind of diet for years, before he came to truth;
Dan.4:
35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me;

God has clearly, according to Scripture, commanded all men everywhere to repent, and we can plainly see that has not happened and will not happen.

God has commanded all men everywhere to repent and believe, but He has also commanded that those who remain with a love of sin will be gather by the angels to be cast into second death. God is not worried about what to do with unrepentant sinners, because he never intended to save them.

All I can do is pray for you, @Zaatar71, that God will open to you the God He truly is, merciful and gracious toward mankind.

God is a Covenant making, and Covenant keeping God. Those outside the Covenant are passed over and remain in the realm of sin and death.

Not willing that any should perish.

God is very willing that many perish, see MT.7:21-24..He says depart from me, I never at any time knew you. However, not one of those elect persons will ever perish....again from post#1;
Therefore, say we, God never designed to save every individual, since, if He had, every individual would and must be saved, for "His counsel shall stand, and He will do all His pleasure."

But this is a choice you have made, may God help you.

from post #2;All men universally are not elected to salvation, it is undeniable from Scripture that God will not in the last day save every individual of mankind! (Daniel 12:2; Matthew 25:46; John 5:29. Therefore, say we, God never designed to save every individual, since, if He had, every individual would and must be saved, for "His counsel shall stand, and He will do all His pleasure."

You are not dealing with these posts.read them slowly, maybe that will let you see what they are pointing to.

 

[Zaatar71]

More from Spurgeon:
Turn to Acts 13:48: “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the Word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” They may try to split that passage into hairs if they like—but it says, “ordained to eternal life” in the original as plainly as it possibly can.

And we do not care about all the different commentaries thereupon. You scarcely need to be reminded of Romans 8, because I trust you are all well-acquainted with that chapter and understand it by this time. In the 29th and following verses, it says, “For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many Brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified and whom He justified, them He also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He that spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect?

It would also be unnecessary to repeat the whole of the 9th chapter of Romans. As long as that remains in the Bible, no man shall be able to prove Arminianism. So long as that is written there, not the most violent contortions of the passage will ever be able to exterminate the doctrine of election from the Scriptures.

So we see that many who claim affinity to Spurgeon , really do not grasp that he was a full 5 point Calvinist.