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[Salty]

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[Silverhair]

I did read in context. You need to read it again

You should take your own advice as it is clear that you have missed the truths contained there in.

 

[Craigbythesea]

You are speaking of a different God??? Mal.3 describes the God who exists;6 For I am the Lord, I do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. 7 From the days of your fathers you have gone away from My ordinances and have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you, says the Lord of Hosts.

When you say God receives "new information" you betray the fact that you do not understand what has already been revealed in scripture about the true and living God. The biblical God has no "unforeseen events" of any kind! Friend, a good study of the attributes of God would help you.

Jonah 3:9. Who knows? God may relent and change his mind; he may turn from his fierce anger, so that we do not perish."
10. When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it. (NRSV)

This is a biblical account of an actual event when God learned what He hitherto did not know. When he saw (learned) that the people of Nineveh “turned from their evil ways,” He “changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it.”

As for the words of Malachi.

3:6. For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, have not perished.
7. Ever since the days of your ancestors you have turned aside from my statutes and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you, says the Lord of hosts. But you say, “How shall we return?” (NRSV)

This particular passage of Scripture says absolutely nothing about God changing His mind—it speaks only of God changing who He is. One of the attributes of God is that He is capable of learning and adjusting his plans based on what He learns. The passage in Jonah 3:1-10, and especially vv. 9 and 10, provides for His people an excellent and expressly clear example of God learning and adjusting his plans based on what He learns. This fundamental attributes of God will not change just to make Reformed theology a little bit more palatable.

Moreover, Malachi 3:7 expressly says that God’s returning to the children of Jacob is dependent upon their first returning to Him—something that had not yet occurred and was genuinely possible.

And we have Malachi 3:16,

Then those who revered the Lord spoke with one another. The Lord took note and listened, and a book of remembrance was written before him of those who revered the Lord and thought on his name. (NRSV)

This in not imaginative fiction—it is a chronological account of real events!

Furthermore, this is not about me—it’s about the word of God.

 

[Ben1445]

God did not force Adam to sin.God is not the author of sin.

True.

What you are describing as logic, is your own flawed carnal wisdom/philosophy

They are logical conclusions of what Calvinism describes.

Of course he had free agency

Hard to combine with what was ordained from the foundation of the world by a Cal definition.

So only you can give a reasonable understanding of it??? lol

I’m not the only person to see the flaws of Calvinism.

This last group of statements, I do not understand what exactly you are trying to say. Would you be able to clarify it for us?

It is written in English. What exactly don’t you understand?
What is it that I said that could have multiple meanings?

 

[Ben1445]

Now what is predestination but the determining will of God? I defy the subtlest semi-Pelagian in the world to form or convey a just and worthy notion of the Supreme Being without admitting Him to be the great cause of all causes else,

So the cause of sin? Make up your mind.

Himself dependent on none, who willed from eternity how He would act in time, and settled a regular, determinate scheme of what He would do and permit to be done from the beginning to the consummation of the world. Zanchius