Not under Law --Under Grace!

[DHK]

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They do not have the soul of man which is bonded to the Spirit, for God breathe into man's nostrils and he became a living soul. Never read where God breathe into an animal's nose. I really think it should not be compared to a man's soul.

If the Word of God can separate the soul from the spirit, it is not as bonded as you may think that it is. Provide your proof that it is bonded together.

 

[Brother Bob]

You can break them all and still go to heaven. In fact you probably have broken them all. Are you like the Pharisees and know only the letter of the law?
If there is no law; there is no sin.
If there is no speed limit; it is impossible to break the speed limit (just an example).__________________
DHK

You speak for yourself and not me, thank you
If you want to say you are an adultereous, murder, liar, worship idol Gods, dishonored your father and mother etc, feel free to do so but don't drag me into your mess.

Are you a preacher DHK?

 

[Brother Bob]

other creatures do have a soul

"And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep." Num. 31:28.

"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." Rev. 16:3.​

There are many scriptures that call the body the soul in the scriptures and please don't compare animals to man for they are not the same.

 

[Brother Bob]

If the Word of God can separate the soul from the spirit, it is not as bonded as you may think that it is. Provide your proof that it is bonded together.__________________
DHK

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
It seems that only the word of God is so quick and so powerful and sharp that it can divide the spirit and the soul. I don’t know of anything else that can.

But we also use our mind (soul) to understand it intellectually

So you do believe the soul is in the grave. Well, you and Ellen White get along just fine.

 

[Claudia_T]

Brother Bob,

I didnt. Just stating Bible verses.

 

[Claudia_T]

...Handing out the AGF Anti-Growling Fluid

 

[DHK]

You speak for yourself and not me, thank you
If you want to say you are an adultereous, murder, liar, worship idol Gods, dishonored your father and mother etc, feel free to do so but don't drag me into your mess.

Are you a preacher DHK?

I speak on the basis of the Word of God. Jesus already demonstrated that we all break the Ten Commandments. Are you a murderer? Let's find out.

Matthew 5:21-22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Have you been angry with your brother Bob? Be careful how you answer. It is very easy to do a quick search and pull up posts that you have posted in the past. Have you broken the law? The evidence is very clear. Do I have to spell it out for you? Let me put it this way:
If you had not committed murder (been angry with your brother) in your past posts, and had posted rashly, said things that you should not have said, then you would not have had to take a "vacation" enforced by the administrative council of the BB. Something doesn't add up here does it? The fact is you broke the law, and thus were disciplined accordingly. Don't make it worse by sitting there self-righteously and saying that you have not sinned or broken the law. You have. You have offended many. In the eyes of Jesus you have committed murder. Do you want me to pull up previous posts to demonstrate my point?

It is not my mess Bob, it is yours. You have broken God's law.
Furthermore, because you put yourself under God's law and say that you keep God's law you also put yourself under the curse of God's law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

You must continue to do all things that are written in the law--all the time, every day of your life. If you but break the law once you are cursed. This is what the Word teaches. It puts you under the curse of the law.

James also teaches:
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

If you make one false accusation on this board, one lie, say one thing in anger, then you are just as guilty as committing adultery, murder or stealing, or breaking all of the law put together. You are a law breaker. One sin is as bad as another. If, according to your theology, adultery is a sin unto death, then so is lying, and posting in anger.

But my sins are under the blood. God has forgiven me of all my sins: past present and future. I have full assurance that no matter what my condition at death I will go to heaven (unconfessed sin or not). My sins are buried in the depths of the deepest sea; they are cast behind his back; forgiven and forgotten never to be remembered again; as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed them from me.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.

 

[Brother Bob]

Have you been angry with your brother Bob? Be careful how you answer. It is very easy to do a quick search and pull up posts that you have posted in the past. Have you broken the law? The evidence is very clear. Do I have to spell it out for you? Let me put it this way:
If you had not committed murder (been angry with your brother) in your past posts, and had posted rashly, said things that you should not have said, then you would not have had to take a "vacation" enforced by the administrative council of the BB. Something doesn't add up here does it? The fact is you broke the law, and thus were disciplined accordingly. Don't make it worse by sitting there self-righteously and saying that you have not sinned or broken the law. You have. You have offended many. In the eyes of Jesus you have committed murder. Do you want me to pull up previous posts to demonstrate my point?

It is not my mess Bob, it is yours. You have broken God's law.
Furthermore, because you put yourself under God's law and say that you keep God's law you also put yourself under the curse of God's law.

This is not becoming a moderator DHK.

I think you need my prayers so I will pray for you and will cease this discussion as of now for I think you are trying to provoke me to be thrown off the board again.

 

[DHK]

This is not becoming a moderator DHK.

I think you need my prayers so I will pray for you and will cease this discussion as of now for I think you are trying to provoke me to be thrown off the board again.

No I am not. Anyone can search for previous posts. We all make mistakes. We need to admit that. Those mistakes are called sin, whether we like it or not.
If we say we have no sin we call him a liar.
That verse was written to Christians, even to those that are on their death bed. None of us are perfectly holy. If we are honest with ourselves we don't even live up to our own standards much less the standard of God.
"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
That just does not refer to the unsaved, but to believers as well.
It means that we have missed the mark; the mark of the glory of God. It is a mark that I will never attain until I reach God's glory after I die or when Jesus comes again--whichever comes first.
Sin is a fact of life.
That is why we have those wonderful promises:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
--I like that last verse:
The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Usng th verse in Matthew on anger to say one is sinning is wrong application of the Scripture.

Notice it does not say whosoever is angry with his brother is in danger,

What it says whosoever is angry at his brother without a cause...

Some angers do not warrant sin.

Jesus even said 'Be ye angry and sin not.'

I agree with Bob. It seems you are trying to provoke one to anger. Also accusing us of sin that we do not do is a lie, breaking a commandment on your behalf.

Also, you are equating anger with hate. While it is true that anger can turn into hate, it is not hate.

Having spoken, I too, will bow out before my words are misconstrued and used against me.

 

[DHK]

Usng th verse in Matthew on anger to say one is sinning is wrong application of the Scripture.

Notice it does not say whosoever is angry with his brother is in danger,

What it says whosoever is angry at his brother without a cause...

And since when do you have a cause to be angry with your brother. Such an idea is ludicrous. Do you use this interpretation as an excuse to be angry??

Some angers do not warrant sin.

According to our present definition of anger this is not true.

Jesus even said 'Be ye angry and sin not.'

Start a thread on anger and see what develops. According to our present definition of anger there is never a cause to be anger. All anger is sin. Thus the problem here is to find out what is meant by the word "anger" in this verse, not to use it as an excuse to sin.
It is always a sin to lose your temper (common definition of being angry).
It is a sin to be emotionally angry--to allow your emotions to get in the way.
Thus what does the verse mean? Save it for another thread.

I agree with Bob. It seems you are trying to provoke one to anger. Also accusing us of sin that we do not do is a lie, breaking a commandment on your behalf.

You can agree all you want. I quote Scripture to show that you both have sinned as the Bible states. You don't like to be called a sinner. No one does. But the Bible declares you are a sinner. It declares that your heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. It declares that the imaginations of your heart are evil continually. No one likes to be told those things. They don't like to be told that they can't keep the law, and that they are cursed under the law (Gal.3:10). But the fact is that we have inherited a sinful nature from Adam and are depraved. Only the grace of God can save us. Only the grace of God can keep us. So, you can disagree with the Bible all you want, but I will continue to post the Word, and stand by it.
We sin. It is a fact of life. But praise God, sin can be forgiven.

Also, you are equating anger with hate. While it is true that anger can turn into hate, it is not hate.

I didn't say it was. But if you read over posts (not just made by one person but by many), you will find some made in anger, and some that are downright hateful.
Be careful with your words.

Matthew 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

You did equate anger with hate when you posted this.

If you had not committed murder (been angry with your brother) in your past posts,


Nowhere in the Word of God can one find that anger is murder, yet you said it is. Hatred is murder, we see that in God's Word, but anger is not.

The Greek word for angry in the verse in question is orgizo. It means
to provoke or enrage, i.e. (passively) become exasperated:--be angry (wroth).

the word for without a cause is eike. It means
probably from 1502 (through the idea of failure); idly, i.e. without reason (or effect):--without a cause, (in) vain(-ly).

God inspired the writers to put that little phrase in there for a reason. There is a cause for anger that does not constitute judgment on the behalf of the believer.

We cannot use today's definition of anger to say one is sinning when he or she is angry. There is a righteous indignation when the Spirit that is in man causes man to get angry when one twists the truth into a lie. And I do not believe God is saying we are sinning for getting angry about that.

DidW was correct in saying anger is not hate. It can turn into hate, then it becomes sin.

If all anger was sin, then Jesus was giving us permission to sin when He said Be ye angry and sin not, and let not the sun go down upon your wrath.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK: But the Bible declares you are a sinner. It declares that your heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. It declares that the imaginations of your heart are evil continually.

HP: Scripture declares no such thing. ‘1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.’

If what you say is true, such a one has never been born again, or has lost their first estate.

 

[DHK]

HP: Scripture declares no such thing. ‘1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.’

If what you say is true, such a one has never been born again, or has lost their first estate.

You have taken Scripture out of context. Do you want me to give you the references.
Jeremiah 17:9 is as applicable to you as it is to the unsaved.
Your heart is deceifult and wicked. It doesn't make one iota of difference whether you are saved or not. Being born again does not eradicate the old sinful nature. That in and of itself is a heretical doctrine. We still have a sin nature. That sin nature still includes a deceitful heart.

"Let God be true but every man a liar." This also includes you.
Never does the Bible teach the sinlessness of man, which you imply.

Now go back and read 1Cor.6:11, and then read the verses just before it, which say adulterers, fornicators, effeminate, idoaters, abusers of mankind, etc.
It says nothing of a deceitful heart. Why have you pulled Scripture out of context?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK: You have taken Scripture out of context.

HP: What Scripture have I taken out of context?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

so one who is deceitfuland wicked has confidence that they are going to heaven? I don't think so!

The deceitful and wicked are indeed listed in that list in 1 Corinthians 6. They are listed as the unrighteous.

Unless you are saying deceitfulness and wickedness are works of righteousness.

 

[Amy.G]

It seems some of you are saying that as Christians we do not sin. Is that what you're saying or have I misunderstood?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

It is not a sin to lose your temper in some situations. Jesus Himself lost His temper on more than one occasion. His greatest rage was seen in the temple.

And He is supposed to be our example!

Oh my! according to your statement that losing one's temper constitutes sin, you are declaring Jesus to have sinned when He lost His temper.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

It seems some of you are saying that as Christians we do not sin. Is that what you're saying or have I misunderstood?

You have missed something. I have seen where many have admitted to sin that are still being accused of saying they have not sinned.

 

[DHK]

so one who is deceitfuland wicked has confidence that they are going to heaven? I don't think so!

The deceitful and wicked are indeed listed in that list in 1 Corinthians 6. They are listed as the unrighteous.

Unless you are saying deceitfulness and wickedness are works of righteousness.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

This is what the Word of God says about your heart. I am sorry that it offends you. It is not my words; it is God's Word. So complain to God. He is the one who says your heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, not me. Or do you question the very words of God?