Not under Law --Under Grace!

[Claudia_T]

I think it is not only absurd but absolutely despicable to wind the scriptures right up to the most legalistic degree in order that you might justify yourself in sin and say that we cannot do what God says anyway.

AS IF God were continually sitting there both asking you to do things you cannot possibly do or else waiting with a big club to whop you ever the head every second for every minor violation of the law.

Not only is it a horrid picture of God but also it is merely a way to justify yourself in sin.

There wont be any trifling with God and with His Word on Judgment day.

I think its disgusting.

 

[DHK]

It is not a sin to lose your temper in some situations. Jesus Himself lost His temper on more than one occasion. His greatest rage was seen in the temple.

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Then you serve a different Jesus than I do. I serve a sinless Christ.
Christ never lost his temper--never! He was always fully in control of his emotions. He never "lost it." He was in total control--always! Do you think that we serve a God who is out of control?? Or who is controlled by his "emotions?" I don't thinik so. By your description, your God is different than the Jesus Christ that I serve.
To lose one's temper is always sin.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

This is what the Word of God says about your heart. I am sorry that it offends you. It is not my words; it is God's Word. So complain to God. He is the one who says your heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, not me. Or do you question the very words of God?

I don't question the Word of God. It declares the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom. I believe it. The unrighteous are not just those mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6, but more are mentioned in Revelation 21:8

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Then you serve a different Jesus than I do. I serve a sinless Christ.
Christ never lost his temper--never! He was always fully in control of his emotions. He never "lost it." He was in total control--always! Do you think that we serve a God who is out of control?? Or who is controlled by his "emotions?" I don't thinik so. By your description, your God is different than the Jesus Christ that I serve.
To lose one's temper is always sin.[/quote]

By your definition, not by the Word of God.

In saying I serve the wrong Jesus, I see you are questioning my salvation. Why is this right for you to do, but you chastise others for? Are you better than them?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

AMY:It seems some of you are saying that as Christians we do not sin. Is that what you're saying or have I misunderstood?

HP: You will have to stay tuned for a while to get your answers. Sin obviously means a lot of different things to different individuals.

This is what is amazing to me. DHK boast of a blanket pardon for all his past present AND even future sins, yet throws stones at any and all that would claim that a Christian has had a change of heart and has been given a new heart puified by faith in such a way that they can say with Paul, “being made free from sin.”

The only notion that he seems to denote as 'meaningfully sinful' is one claiming to be made free from sin through the blood of Jesus. He obviously depicts them as liars and therefore blantant sinners. One who would dare stand and say that by the grace of God they have been granted a pure heart and maintain clean hands,..... look out!

The closest example in Scripture that I can think of that would depict such an attitude, is that of those that struck Paul across the mouth when he claimed to have lived in all good conscience unto that day. That attitude still survives today, or so it might appear.

 

[Claudia_T]

Talk about making Jesus a liar, He plainly tells us what NOT to do then tells us He will make a way of escape for us that we can bear the temptations and admonishes us to flee from idolatry.

Some are saying we cant ...DONT be idolators, DONT commit fornication

you are saying God IS NOT FAITHFUL

1 Corinthians10
5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6: Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7: Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8: Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10: Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11: Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12: Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13: There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
14: Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.


and it is all because people want to wind everything up to the highest degree of legalism then say see? we cant do what God says! ITS TRUE! If God were a legalist. But God wants OUR HEARTS, OUR LOYALTY, He want us to TRY through His power to overcome sin... out of LOVE for Him.

One could argue that we cannot be perfectly perfectly perfect all day long and that would be TRUE but its IRRELEVANT!

God wants people who LOVE HIM and are LOYAL TO HIM in His kingdom.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

If Jesus gave us a command to keep His commandments, it must be possible to do it.

 

[Amy.G]

If Jesus gave us a command to keep His commandments, it must be possible to do it.

So, why don't we?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Maybe because we have not truly given ourselves to Him.

 

[annsni]

So, why don't we?

Because we're selfish and stupid. :BangHead:

 

[Amy.G]

Maybe because we have not truly given ourselves to Him.

Do you mean all of us? Is this something we're all guilty of, not truly giving ourselves to Him?

 

[DHK]

I don't question the Word of God. It declares the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom. I believe it. The unrighteous are not just those mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6, but more are mentioned in Revelation 21:8

True, they are mentioned, or described in many verses. More accurately they are described. The unrighteous are those that have not trusted in Christ. The righteous are those who have trusted Christ, and consequently have been clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

But none of that changes the truth of Jeremiah 17:9. The heart is still deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.
I stand by God's Word.

Here are some truths:
1. All men (mankind) are sinners.
2. All saved men are sinners (albeit sinners saved by grace).
3. All sin of believers has been put under the blood of Christ (and thus the doctrine of OSAS)
4. At death all believers will go to heaven whether or not they have unconfessed sin.

If #4 is not true, then
A. the blood of Jesus Christ was not sufficient enough to cover ALL his sins.
B. The doctrine of OSAS is a false doctrine.
C. No one can have any assurance of heaven whatsoever.
D. Our religion is no better than that of the Muslims. We rely on a fatalistic cruel God who determines our fate on the basis of our confessed sins, and good works once we get there.

And that is not the religion that I believe in, but it is the religion that some of you seem to bee advocating.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

HBSMN: If Jesus gave us a command to keep His commandments, it must be possible to do it.

HP: God is not a taskmaster, nor does He require anything out of us that He has not promised to provide the strength to accomplish it. “Be ye holy”

I feel that one of the most abused tactics is that of judging one another by one another. If we ourselves are not finding our walk pure before the Lord, or we don’t know any that are, we begin to adjust our thinking to the position that because this is our, or someone we know, experience, there can be no other exceptions. It is all to easy to start reading into Scripture our experience or the experience of others and fail to take Scripture at its word. “1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.”

What was that about let God be true?.....

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Amy,

We are told in the Word of God that if we submit ourselves to God, we will be able to resist the devil and He will flee from us.

Now, you tell me, have we truly submitted ourselves to Him?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

IF one is truly submitted to God, one can, and will keep the commandments.

 

[Amy.G]

Amy,

We are told in the Word of God that if we submit ourselves to God, we will be able to resist the devil and He will flee from us.

Now, you tell me, have we truly submitted ourselves to Him?

I know that God's word is true and He does give us an escape, but I fail sometimes and commit a sin. That's not God's fault, He has made a way through the power of the Holy Spirit. It's my fault because at that moment I was not submitted to Him. And it sickens me when I fail Him, because my heart wants to please God all the time. :tear: Is there anyone who is submitted to Him 100% of the time? I feel as though you are saying that there are actually some people who never sin, maybe even yourself. I may have misunderstood you. My apologies if I have.

 

[DHK]

Then you serve a different Jesus than I do. I serve a sinless Christ.
Christ never lost his temper--never! He was always fully in control of his emotions. He never "lost it." He was in total control--always! Do you think that we serve a God who is out of control?? Or who is controlled by his "emotions?" I don't thinik so. By your description, your God is different than the Jesus Christ that I serve.
To lose one's temper is always sin.

By your definition, not by the Word of God.
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Demonstrate to me through the Word of God where Jesus "lost his temper"

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Try Matthew 21. Jesus lost His temper when He drove the moneychangers out of the temple.

If that is not losing one's temper, then it is ok for me to go to any SB church and plait a whip and chase those who are marketing books and videos out of those churches.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Yet, some would say, 'Impossible!'

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Christ says He will love those who keep His commandments and will manifest Himself to us.

And if we're not?

My Bible also tells me that His commandments are not grievous. And yet, we cry 'Impossible!'

 

[DHK]

Try Matthew 21. Jesus lost His temper when He drove the moneychangers out of the temple.

If that is not losing one's temper, then it is ok for me to go to any SB church and plait a whip and chase those who are marketing books and videos out of those churches.

Don't use Scripture out of context. Show me one Scripture that demonstrates that He lost his temper. You are reading things into Scripture that you want to be there. Are you wanting to justify your own sin? Why are you doing this?
Why are you making Christ into a sinner--a sinful man?
He isn't. Attributing sin to Christ is blasphemy.
Consider these facts.
Losing one's temper is a loss of emotion. It means one is not in control any longer. What you are saying is that God was no longer in control of Himself. The Great Creator of the Universe lost control. He was out of control and theoretically let everything fly into chaos while he "lost his temper" and cleansed the Temple.
Does this make sense to you?
Yet this is what you are saying. God doesn't lose control. He is always in control. He is always in control of his emotions. If he wasn't he couldn't be God.