Heavenly Pilgrim
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HP: As I see it the solution is simple. Simply redefine anger so as not to force a sinful connotation upon it. ‘Be ye angry and sin not.’
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HP: As I see it the solution is simple. Simply redefine anger so as not to force a sinful connotation upon it. ‘Be ye angry and sin not.’
If I recall correctly, that is what I suggested in the first place.Heavenly Pilgrim said:HP: As I see it the solution is simple. Simply redefine anger so as not to force a sinful connotation upon it. ‘Be ye angry and sin not.’
The verse "Be angry and sin not" needs a study of its own. I suggested to the one posting it to start a thread on it, because I didn't have the time to expound it right then and there. Anger, in the Bible, is never losing one's temper. That is how we define it today. In the verse I just quoted from Ephesians it is a type of "righteous indignation," but it has nothing to do with any outburst of emotion. One can be "angry" at the sin of abortion in our nation and express it through a letter to the editor, without losing their temper at all. That is a type of righteous indignation.
How did Jesus cleanse the Temple?
First realize that He was in perfect control 100% of the time. He did not sin. He did not lose control of his emotions. He never lost his temper. What he did, he did deliberately, thought out beforehand, wisely, and with His Father's approval. If I ever lost my temper, it would never be with my father's approval (something to consider).
He was able to take such actions because:
1. He was a rabbi, a master or teacher,
2. He spoke with authority and not as the scribes.
3. The people feared him.
4. His miracles and teaching gave him the authority that he had earned.
5. The Pharisees could do nothing about it because the crowds followed him and they were on the side of Christ.
6. The money changers and traders were doing wrong and knew it. No doubt they felt very guilty right in the presence of Christ.
7. He acted in the perfect will of his father with the authority of His Father. No one could say anything against Him. Furthermore, "His time had not yet come."
The Bible speaks of two basic kinds of anger or wrath: the unrighteous anger of man and the righteous anger of God. Man's anger is defined by Webster as "a violent passion of the mind excited by a real or supposed injury; usually accompanied with a propensity to take vengeance, or to obtain satisfaction from the offending party. This passion however varies in degrees of violence, and in ingenuous minds, may be attended only with a desire to reprove or chide the offender. Anger may be inflamed till it rises to rage and a temporary delirium." Man's unrighteous anger arises from his sinful nature (Ga 5:20). Anger is "the desire of the flesh to strike out at anything that threatens self interests" (Bunnell). The Lord Jesus Christ closely connected anger with murder (Mt 5:21-22). As theft is the product of covetousness, and adultery is the product of lust, murder is the product of anger.
Warnings about man's unrighteous anger:
(1) It causes one to do foolish things (Pr 14:17).
(2) It is the result of pride (Pr 13:10).
(3) It poisons others (Pr 22:24-25).
(4) It stirs up strife and sin (Pr 15:18; 29:22).
(5) It results in punishment (Pr 19:19).
(6) It can be tempered with soft words (Pr 15:1).
(6) God warns about becoming friends with an angry man (Pr 22:24-25). (7) Control of anger requires that one have rule over his own spirit (Pr 16:32; 25:28).
(8) A man's wisdom causes him to control his anger (Pr 19:11).
(9) It is to be put away from the Christian's life (Col 3:8).
Some men of God who became angry at unrighteousness:
Enoch (Jude 1:14-15),
Moses (Ex 32:19-20),
the Psalmist (Ps 119:53),
Jeremiah (Jer 23:9-11),
Jesus (Mt 23:1-39),
Paul (Ga 2:11-14; Ac 13:9-11).
Examples of righteous anger:
(1) Indignation against sin (Ps 119:53,104,113,128,136,139,158,163; Pr 28:4; Jer 15:17; Ro 12:9; Eph 5:11).
(2) Indignation against false teachers and false doctrine (Jer 23:9-11; Mt 23:1-39; Tit 1:9-11; Galatians; Jude 1:14-15)).
(3) Indignation against hypocrisy and evil among Christian leaders (Ga 2:11-14). Jesus Christ was angry at man's hardheartedness (Mr 3:5) and at false teaching (Mt 23:1-39).
Way of Life Encyclopedia
Warnings about man's unrighteous anger:
(1) It causes one to do foolish things (Pr 14:17).
(2) It is the result of pride (Pr 13:10).
(3) It poisons others (Pr 22:24-25).
(4) It stirs up strife and sin (Pr 15:18; 29:22).
(5) It results in punishment (Pr 19:19).
(6) It can be tempered with soft words (Pr 15:1).
(6) God warns about becoming friends with an angry man (Pr 22:24-25). (7) Control of anger requires that one have rule over his own spirit (Pr 16:32; 25:28).
(8) A man's wisdom causes him to control his anger (Pr 19:11).
(9) It is to be put away from the Christian's life (Col 3:8).
Some men of God who became angry at unrighteousness:
Enoch (Jude 1:14-15),
Moses (Ex 32:19-20),
the Psalmist (Ps 119:53),
Jeremiah (Jer 23:9-11),
Jesus (Mt 23:1-39),
Paul (Ga 2:11-14; Ac 13:9-11).
Examples of righteous anger:
(1) Indignation against sin (Ps 119:53,104,113,128,136,139,158,163; Pr 28:4; Jer 15:17; Ro 12:9; Eph 5:11).
(2) Indignation against false teachers and false doctrine (Jer 23:9-11; Mt 23:1-39; Tit 1:9-11; Galatians; Jude 1:14-15)).
(3) Indignation against hypocrisy and evil among Christian leaders (Ga 2:11-14). Jesus Christ was angry at man's hardheartedness (Mr 3:5) and at false teaching (Mt 23:1-39).
Way of Life Encyclopedia
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Diggin,
Where in the world would you get the idea that DHK, me, or anyone else who understands the truth of eternal security, freedom from the Law, and justification by faith alone, believes its "OK" to live in sin?
Its amazing to me when I hear that weirdness coming our way.
God bless,
Mike
Where in the world would you get the idea that DHK, me, or anyone else who understands the truth of eternal security, freedom from the Law, and justification by faith alone, believes its "OK" to live in sin?
Its amazing to me when I hear that weirdness coming our way.
God bless,
Mike
His Blood Spoke My Name
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Anytime one says one can die after committing sin and still be accepted in heaven, they are preaching a message that one can live in sin.
1. If one dies after committing a sin, he is denied entrance into heaven (a denial of eternal security).His Blood Spoke My Name said:
2. If one preaches eternal security they preach that one can live in sin.
The truth of the matter is, if as HAMN claims, that one is indeed denied access into heaven on the basis of an unconfessed sin after death, then no man can have an assurance of heaven. Logically then we are all doomed to Hell even if we are saved. For example if I had an evil thought in my mind, and had a sudden heart attack, or a car accident, then I would go immediately to Hell. I used to think that way as a Catholic. Except then my punishment wouldn't be so great. I would only go to purgatory then. How capricious is this theology that I am hearing!!
His Blood Spoke My Name
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No man can serve two masters. How can one say one is serving Jesus and be a servant of sin?
The truth of the matter is, Jesus Christ said if we love Him we are to keep His commandments. The Word goes on to say that the one who does not keep His commandments does not love Him. The one who does not continue in Him will not be holy and blameless.
That my friend, is the Word of God.
Do you keep His commandments?
The truth of the matter is, Jesus Christ said if we love Him we are to keep His commandments. The Word goes on to say that the one who does not keep His commandments does not love Him. The one who does not continue in Him will not be holy and blameless.
KJG 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
KJG 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
That my friend, is the Word of God.
Do you keep His commandments?
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His blood,
No, and neither do you.
You may want to, as I do. You many try to, as I do. But you dont keep them, just like I dont. It was people who were so decieved as to think they were actually "keeping" Gods laws that caused Christ to equate lust in your heart with adultery, and inordinate anger with murder.
Ever had that lustfull look? You are an adulterer. Ever been angry with someone without a just cause? Welcome to the world of murder.
The pharisee in the temple thought he was doing all the "dos" and not doing all the "donts". He tithed, and gave to the poor, etc etc. Christ said he was not justified.
The publican said "Lord, be merciful to me, a sinner."
He was justified in Gods eyes. Justification through faith alone.
Grace and peace,
Mike
No, and neither do you.
You may want to, as I do. You many try to, as I do. But you dont keep them, just like I dont. It was people who were so decieved as to think they were actually "keeping" Gods laws that caused Christ to equate lust in your heart with adultery, and inordinate anger with murder.
Ever had that lustfull look? You are an adulterer. Ever been angry with someone without a just cause? Welcome to the world of murder.
The pharisee in the temple thought he was doing all the "dos" and not doing all the "donts". He tithed, and gave to the poor, etc etc. Christ said he was not justified.
The publican said "Lord, be merciful to me, a sinner."
He was justified in Gods eyes. Justification through faith alone.
Grace and peace,
Mike
His Blood Spoke My Name
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DHK,
By your own admission, you have told me you do not know the Savior. For you said no man can keep the commandments. No man would include yourself.
His Word states that he that keepeth not His commandments does not know Him.
Now, would you like retract your statement that no man can keep His commandments?
By your own admission, you have told me you do not know the Savior. For you said no man can keep the commandments. No man would include yourself.
His Word states that he that keepeth not His commandments does not know Him.
Now, would you like retract your statement that no man can keep His commandments?
I never said any such thing, and you shouldn't put words in my mouth.His Blood Spoke My Name said:
I suggest you read D28guy's post.
No man can keep all the commandments. I even posted Scripture to that effect, but you ignore Scripture that I post. You have your ideas, disregard Scripture, and hold to your ideas in spite of what the Bible says.
The Bible says:
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
So either you say you are "righteous" and do not commit sin, and at the same time call Christ a liar.
Or admit that you are a sinner and cannot keep all of Christ's commandments.
Which is it?
His Blood Spoke My Name
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have not sinned looks to me like present tense.
are sinning is present tense.
are sinning is present tense.
His Blood Spoke My Name
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The Word of God would clearly refute the claim that we cannot keep the commandments.
His Blood Spoke My Name
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If I submit to God, I can resist the devil. I can keep the commandments.
The question should not be can we? it should be do we?
The question should not be can we? it should be do we?
That is not what it says:His Blood Spoke My Name said:
It says:
1 John 1:10 If we say that we haven't sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (WEB)
And in almost every other translation I read, I find the same thing. Your particular take on this is not only obscure, it is non-existent.
His Blood Spoke My Name
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Any who would claim that we cannot keep the commandments make God a liar, for the Word says His commandments are not grievous. That means they are not burdensome to us. We can keep them.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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HP: It is an easy task to make another’s thoughts seem capricious if one is determined to do so.
HP: So here we have it. Another paper duck hoisted up to shoot at. If one breaks civil law he sins, if he is angry he sins, and even if he just happens to have an evil thought pass through his mind he sins. You are making things sin that you absolutely no way in judging. Can you see the intents of the heart?
To speak of sin without consideration of the intent of the heart is paramount to pre-programming error into ones conclusions and to land in a labyrinth of moral confusion.
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DHK said:
again 'haven't sinned' past tense.
Let me give you a lesson, most action words that end with 'ed' indicates a past action. Not something that is in progress or will happen. 'ing' ndicates present
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You can'tHis Blood Spoke My Name said:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Keeping the law or even the laws of Christ do not save. Only faith in
Christ saves. One is justified by faith in Christ and by faith alone. You are teaching salvation by works. Your religion is akin to Catholicism. Faith plus works will get you to heaven. Without works one cannot get to heaven you say.
If you have unconfessed sin be sure to call the priest before you die that he may administer the sacrament of extreme unction. This is your religion. All sin before that last minute of death must be confessed. But what if the priest doesn't make it on time? What if you die before that last sin isn't confessed? There is no difference between your religion and Catholicism, except that yours is more severe and capricious. Instead of Purgatory the "believer" goes straight to Hell. How terribly sad. You set yourself up as god and condemn believers to Hell.
His Blood Spoke My Name
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Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Now who is taking text out of context. Nowhere does that verse say we cannot keep the commandments. How do you get that we can't keep the commandments out of that. That is saying that man is not justified by the works of the law. Now man cannot keep the commandments..
And Jesus said 'If ye love me, keep my commandments.' His word says if you don't keep His commandments you don't know Him. I did not write that, it was given to man by the Holy Ghost.
Now who is taking text out of context. Nowhere does that verse say we cannot keep the commandments. How do you get that we can't keep the commandments out of that. That is saying that man is not justified by the works of the law. Now man cannot keep the commandments..
And Jesus said 'If ye love me, keep my commandments.' His word says if you don't keep His commandments you don't know Him. I did not write that, it was given to man by the Holy Ghost.
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