Not under Law --Under Grace!

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Like I said, DHK,

If you do not keep His commandments, the Wiord of God says you do not know Him.

And it is not I who assign them to hell. If they don't know Him, it is not because I told them to continue in sin. They make that choice themselves.

 

[DHK]

Now who is taking text out of context. Nowhere does that verse say we cannot keep the commandments.

Every time I have posted this verse you have ignored it:

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

It clearly says that you cannot keep all the commandments. The teaching here is that if you fail in just one command from birth to death, then you are cursed. It is impossible during the length of your life time to live without sin--to perfectly obey all the commands. Only Christ was sinless. The fact that he was sinless gave him the right to die for us--the sinners.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

But you don't seem to believe this. You seem to believe that your own righteousness is good enough.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Am I missing something? that does not say we cannot keep the commanments.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Just where do you get 'You cannot keep the commandments out of that verse? You really have to twist it to get it, that's for sure.

That verse says those who do not keep the commandments are cursed. It nowhere implies we cannot.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

If we truly are of Him, we can keep the commandments. His commandments are not grievous.

The fact is people choose to break the commandments not because they cannot keep them, but because they do not choose to follow Christ.

1 John 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Hereby we know that we are in Him, if we Keep His Word. Keep His Commandments.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

I ask you, what is 'Commandments' means? Secondly, please explain to us, the definition of 'Grace', what it means. Thanks.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[DHK]

Am I missing something? that does not say we cannot keep the commanments.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Just where do you get 'You cannot keep the commandments out of that verse? You really have to twist it to get it, that's for sure.

That verse says those who do not keep the commandments are cursed. It nowhere implies we cannot.

Here is the teaching of that verse:

A. Birth________________________________________Death.

B. Birth_____________________ _________________Death.

C. Birth---------------------------------------------Death.

Line A represents what the verse teaches our life should be. "He who continues not in ALL things that are written in the law to do them" One must continue and keep on continuing from birth to death in all things that are in the law without one break--like that continuous line.

In Line B there is one break. That break represents one sin; perhaps one little white lie, one slip of the tongue, one angry thought, any sin at all. Just one sin in your entire life. One sin, one transgression of the law in your lifetime says that you are cursed under the law. That is all it takes.

But Line C tells us the truth of our life--the actual reality. Our life is broken up every day. Perhaps it has more breaks than lines in it. We sin every day if we are honest with outselves. That is the teaching here. We cannot keep the law. We are under the curse of the law. We are under the cursee of the law because we cannot keep it. If you don't believe that that is not the teaching, then read the rest of the passage:

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

We couldn't be saved by keeping the law or its commannds. Christ redeemed us from its curse by being made a curse for us. He took the penalty of our sin for us. It is not keeping the law that saves us. It is not keeping the commands of Christ that saves us. It is faith in Christ, and faith alone. Works don't saved. Whether or not the sin is unconfessed is moot. All our sin is under the blood of Christ. He paid for it all.

In the same context:
Galatians 3:11-12 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

There is no way that we can be justified or saved by the works of the law or by keeping the commands of Christ. The just shall live by faith, even as we are saved by faith and by faith alone. The law (works) is not of faith.
Keeping the commands of Christ is a goal we need to work toward. But if we do not attain it, we do not lose out on heaven. If we still have unconfessed sin, we do not lose our salvation. God is not that cruel.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Then since you say not one of us can keep the commanments, that means not one of us (including you) knows Christ.

If you say you know Him, and don't keep His commandments, you are a liar.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

If you are not keeping His commandments, you are just as lost as the one who keeps all the commandments and has never professed Christ.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

I ask you, what is 'Commandments' means? Secondly, please explain to us, the definition of 'Grace', what it means. Thanks.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

Matthew 22:35-40 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If one obeys Christ and these two commandments, that one will be obeying the ten handed down to Moses by God Himself.

Grace is God's Riches At Christ's Expense. God's unmerited favor toward us.

We cannot say we know Him if we do not keep His Commandments. His Word says if we do not continue in Him, He will not present us before the Father holy and blameless. His Word says if we say we know Him and keep not His commandments, we are liars and the truth is not in us.

Now you, DHK, and anyone else can try to twist God's Word all you want, but thetruthis if you do not keep His commandments, you do not know Him. And if you do not know Him, you have not experienced His grace, for you are not continuing in Him and are therefore, not holy and blameless.

That my friend, is God's Word.

 

[DHK]

Then since you say not one of us can keep the commanments, that means not one of us (including you) knows Christ.

If you say you know Him, and don't keep His commandments, you are a liar.

And thus it goes back and forth. So my challenge for you is to reconcile the Scripture you just referred to in the 2nd chapter of 1John along with 1John 1:8,10. The Bible does not contradict itself but you have been contradicting yourself. Take these passages and harmonize them together so that they don't contradict each other and you are not calling Christ a liar, neither are you saying that you are keeping all the commands of Christ (an impossibility). How can you possibly reconcile these two passages of Scripture and avoid contradiction.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

How can I reconcile them?

His Word tells me if I know Him, I will keep His commandments. If I say I know Him and do not keep His commanments, I am lying.

 

[DHK]

How can I reconcile them?

His Word tells me if I know Him, I will keep His commandments. If I say I know Him and do not keep His commanments, I am lying.

That is right. A wrong theology like your prohibits you from reconciling two otherwise very simple and straightforward verses in the Biblle.

The one verse simply says that you sin. If you don't admit that you sin; you call Christ a liar. This is what you do, because of your failure to admit that you sin. You claim to keep all the commands of Christ, and thus avoid sin, but in doing the same you consequently fall into the trap of calling Christ a liar. You can't have it both ways. You have become a hypocrite, just like the Phairisees of old.

The second verse that you have a hard time with (that you referred to) is:
1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Take a look at Young's Literal Translation:
1 John 2:3-4 and in this we know that we have known him, if his commands we may keep; he who is saying, `I have known him,' and his command is not keeping, a liar he is, and in him the truth is not;

The tense is the present continuous.

"and keepeth not" (

ho mē tērōn, present active linear participle). "The one who keeps on saying: ‘I have come to know him,’ and keeps on not keeping his commandments is a liar" (A.T. Robertson)

This is a life-style of living, not a legalistic way of life. If the command is: do not commit adultery. And the subject in question lives a life-style of adultery, then that is fairly good evidence that the person is not saved. But that would go especially for the commands of Christ: refusal to be baptized, absence of love for the brethren, no prayer life, no study of the Word, etc. These are the things that Christ commanded us. Look into the NT for the commands of Christ to see what they are. Look to the Great Commission for example. Are you being a witness for Christ? This is what he is referrng to?
Thus concerning unconfessed sin, the question might be more accurately asked, If you are not actively witnessing to those around you, while still on your death bed, grasping for that last breath of air, will you be denied heaven. That is the command of Christ. Use the death of Stephen as your gude.
But then I don't believe that. All my sins, past, present, and future are under the blood of Christ. I don't have to worry about that. I know that if I were to die right now (unconfessed sin or not) I would go straight to heaven. I have that assurance from the Word of God. I have no fears.

 

[Claudia_T]

The condition for entrance into the Gates of Heaven are clear. None need guess at it.

Rv:22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Claudia_T]

We should relate ourselves to God in self-denying, self-sacrificing obedience. Faith in Christ always leads to willing, cheerful obedience. He died to redeem us from all iniquity, and to purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works [Ti:2:14].There is to be perfect conformity in thought, word, and deed, to the will of God. Heaven is for those only who have purified their souls through obedience to the truth. It is a place where purity alone can dwell. "Every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure" [1Jn:3:3].

 

[Brother Bob]

Being that dhk is not on right now I guess I can post without fear of being kicked off of BB again.

This is to you His Blood Spoke My Name:

This Chapter and verses are plainly talking about before being cleansed by the blood of Christ (THE UNSAVED) and after being cleansed by His Blood, (THE SAVED) how many times DO we have to be cleansed?

Here is how they are reconciled, I am sure you know and had probably went off line when the last post was made but if not,

John 1: 7 is talking being saved , and if you walk in the light (you have no sin).

John 1: 8, if we say we have no sin ( no sin to be cleansed by walking in the light and being washed in the blood of Christ as in verse 7.and then being saved.

John 1:9 tells us to confess our sins before we are saved and be cleansed by the blood of Christ as in verse 7

John 1: 10 is if we say we have not sinned (past tense when unsaved) then we make Him a liar.


1 John, chapter 1
7: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his

Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


If we confes our sins (walk in the light) He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteous.

If we say we have not sinned (past tense) we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

This Chapter and verses is plainly saying to anyone, who says they know the Lord and keep not His Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in them. (WHETHER YOU CLAIM TO BE SAVED OR NOT)

1 John, chapter 2
1: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father,

Jesus Christ the righteous:
2: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

If we say we know Him and keep not His Commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us.

RECONCILED

Do you know Him?

Are you keeping His Commanments

If not you are a liar, and the scripture tells us if we are liars where we are going to as in the scripture below.

For those who keep not His Commandments.

Rev. 21:
"8": But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,

and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I guess I can debate the rest of you but don't let me murder you!!!

 

[Claudia_T]

THE REASON THEY ARE LIARS

The Bible says that if you CLAIM to KNOW God but you dont keep His commandments then you are a LIAR.


1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

In the parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins, they all had their white robes, claiming to be Christians but five of them had no oil for their lamps. They didnt keep their lamps trimmed and burning.

Jesus finally slams the door on their face and He tells them depart from Me I never KNEW YOU ye that work lawlessness.

They were in effect, LIARS... claiming to KNOW GOD yet working lawlessness.

If they had Oil, the Holy Spirit, they would have walked in the Spirit and not in the flesh.

Those who are carnal minded and at enmity with God's Law are continuing to walk in the flesh and not in the Spirit

Romans 8:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Really no reconciliation there unless onetwists the Scripture.

Verse seven, shows where man is walking; in the light, or in darkness..
Verse eight shows rebellion (Why, I don't sin!)
Verse nine shows a plea to the one who denies that he or she sins to confess that he or she is a sinner.
Verse ten shows once again a penatly for denying that we have sinned. Romans 3:23 confirms this verse.

On to chapter 2

Verse three we see that we know if we know Christ if we keep His commandments. One who does not know Him cannot truly keep His commandments. He will be one who will readily steal, kill, covet, commit adultery, etc.

Verse four shows that one who claims to be of God and does not keep the commandments is not really of God.

 

[Brother Bob]

Read it again, I had some mistakes but fixed them.
Verse 7 is talking about those cleansed up by the blood. (no sin)
Verse 8 is talking before we were cleansed up by His blood (had sin)
verse 9 is being cleansed up after confession. (no sin)

I think it reconciles it. It is plain those with sin have never been cleansed up by the blood of Christ, unless you believe you have to be cleaned up more than once.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Claudia,

Actually, the door is not slammed in the face of the five foolish virgins. The door is closed when they return. They knock and the door is not opened to them.

 

[Claudia_T]

all that is, that you two are talking about is like when Jesus said this:


Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


and the key is, He called those who ARE SINNERS...... TO REPENTENCE

but you have to know and admit you're sick first

and the physician doesnt intend on leaving you sick! He heals you!



it isnt thing falsehood that people keep trying to promote that says "Oh Im a sinner, so I must stay this way to show my humility"

that isnt saying much for the Physician involved in your case!