Obama raised $1 million for foreign thug's election
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Nothing was Donated by Obama to Kenyan Thug Raila Odinga
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JustChristian
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This is another lie generated by the Republican campaign which is getting desperate. Everyone here needs to check their facts before posting these lies.
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UNTRUE CLAIM
"Obama ... gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga."
Chain e-mail on Friday, April 18th, 2008 in
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/465/
TRUTH
‘Not a cent’ from unrelated Obama
A chain e-mail that originates with a letter from American missionaries working in Kenya warns about Sen. Barack Obama’s ties to Kenya and its opposition party, encouraging readers “not to be taken in by those that are promoting him.”
Among the many allegations is one about Obama’s ties to Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga: “Obama under ‘friends of Obama’ gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany.”
The e-mail reads like a bad game of “telephone,” its claims drawn from assorted people and sources that have been stitched together. And yet, because it is signed by real people, who have a life in Africa, it somehow carries more credence than your average blog posting — and it’s spreading rapidly. ( Read the e-mail here. )
But even with the credibility of a real author, the claims in this e-mail are as baseless as anything you’ve read from an anonymous blogger. Celeste Davis wrote the letter. Her husband, Loren Davis, spoke to PolitiFact at length about its many allegations.
He says they’ve lived and worked in Kenya for the past 12 years and this was a personal letter “never intended to be forwarded or sent out to the Web.”
“It’s totally caught us by surprise,” Loren Davis said. He went on to back up the claims and provide some evidence.
Let’s examine this one in two parts:
• “Obama under ‘friends of Obama’ gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign.”
Loren Davis provided PolitiFact with a document that he says shows Obama gave $1-million to the Kenyan opposition campaign led by Odinga. A header at the top of the page says it’s a “consolidated statement of campaign financial activities.” Under the header is a list of “incoming resources” with entries listed in columns of “from” and “amount.”
Handwritten notes amplify the point being made. A name on the list is underlined and the words “Barak Obama” are written in the margin, suggesting that donation is from the Illinois senator, even though his name is misspelled. The amount across from this name also is underlined and next to it someone has written “$1 million,” implying Obama contributed $1-million.
The Obama campaign strongly disputes this allegation and three Kenya experts who reviewed the document at our request called it fraudulent. The Obama campaign sent PolitiFact the same document and one other purporting to show Obama’s campaign contributions to Kenya. The first they heard of it was when these documents arrived by fax.
See the documents here and here.
On the legible version, you can see the underlined entry says, “Friends of Senator BO,” presumably Barack Obama. Only, there is no political action committee named Friends of Senator BO or Friends of Barack Obama. So says Obama’s campaign. And a search of the Federal Election Commission Web site and Opensecrets.org, the Web site of the Center for Responsive Politics, pulls up neither. In fact, there’s no PAC name even close.
Not to mention, the Obama campaign says the senator never gave money to Kenyan Prime Minister Odinga. And Salim Lone, spokesman for Odinga whom we spoke with in Kenya, confirms that.
“That is absolutely ridiculous,” Lone said in an interview with PolitiFact. “Mr. Obama did not donate a single cent to Mr. Odinga’s campaign.”
Just to be certain, we did an analysis of Federal Election Commission reports of disbursements from Obama’s principal presidential campaign committee, Obama for America, during the 2008 election cycle. We searched for “Kenya,” “Odinga” and “ODM,” (the Orange Democratic Movement) the latter being Odinga’s political party, and came up with no matches.
(UPDATE: In June 2008, a reader correctly pointed out that there was a "Friends of Barack Obama" PAC on the Illinois state level from 1995-2005. We analyzed reports of disbursements from this PAC, searching for “Kenya,” “Odinga” and “ODM." We came up with no matches.)
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The report goes on to prove that Obama is not related to Odinga as alleged.
Polls show that McCain's support has dropped because of his campaign's use of attack ads and scandalous material which turns out to be fraudulent. Distributing this kind of information is hurting the McCain campaign.
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UNTRUE CLAIM
"Obama ... gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga."
Chain e-mail on Friday, April 18th, 2008 in
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/465/
TRUTH
‘Not a cent’ from unrelated Obama
A chain e-mail that originates with a letter from American missionaries working in Kenya warns about Sen. Barack Obama’s ties to Kenya and its opposition party, encouraging readers “not to be taken in by those that are promoting him.”
Among the many allegations is one about Obama’s ties to Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga: “Obama under ‘friends of Obama’ gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany.”
The e-mail reads like a bad game of “telephone,” its claims drawn from assorted people and sources that have been stitched together. And yet, because it is signed by real people, who have a life in Africa, it somehow carries more credence than your average blog posting — and it’s spreading rapidly. ( Read the e-mail here. )
But even with the credibility of a real author, the claims in this e-mail are as baseless as anything you’ve read from an anonymous blogger. Celeste Davis wrote the letter. Her husband, Loren Davis, spoke to PolitiFact at length about its many allegations.
He says they’ve lived and worked in Kenya for the past 12 years and this was a personal letter “never intended to be forwarded or sent out to the Web.”
“It’s totally caught us by surprise,” Loren Davis said. He went on to back up the claims and provide some evidence.
Let’s examine this one in two parts:
• “Obama under ‘friends of Obama’ gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign.”
Loren Davis provided PolitiFact with a document that he says shows Obama gave $1-million to the Kenyan opposition campaign led by Odinga. A header at the top of the page says it’s a “consolidated statement of campaign financial activities.” Under the header is a list of “incoming resources” with entries listed in columns of “from” and “amount.”
Handwritten notes amplify the point being made. A name on the list is underlined and the words “Barak Obama” are written in the margin, suggesting that donation is from the Illinois senator, even though his name is misspelled. The amount across from this name also is underlined and next to it someone has written “$1 million,” implying Obama contributed $1-million.
The Obama campaign strongly disputes this allegation and three Kenya experts who reviewed the document at our request called it fraudulent. The Obama campaign sent PolitiFact the same document and one other purporting to show Obama’s campaign contributions to Kenya. The first they heard of it was when these documents arrived by fax.
See the documents here and here.
On the legible version, you can see the underlined entry says, “Friends of Senator BO,” presumably Barack Obama. Only, there is no political action committee named Friends of Senator BO or Friends of Barack Obama. So says Obama’s campaign. And a search of the Federal Election Commission Web site and Opensecrets.org, the Web site of the Center for Responsive Politics, pulls up neither. In fact, there’s no PAC name even close.
Not to mention, the Obama campaign says the senator never gave money to Kenyan Prime Minister Odinga. And Salim Lone, spokesman for Odinga whom we spoke with in Kenya, confirms that.
“That is absolutely ridiculous,” Lone said in an interview with PolitiFact. “Mr. Obama did not donate a single cent to Mr. Odinga’s campaign.”
Just to be certain, we did an analysis of Federal Election Commission reports of disbursements from Obama’s principal presidential campaign committee, Obama for America, during the 2008 election cycle. We searched for “Kenya,” “Odinga” and “ODM,” (the Orange Democratic Movement) the latter being Odinga’s political party, and came up with no matches.
(UPDATE: In June 2008, a reader correctly pointed out that there was a "Friends of Barack Obama" PAC on the Illinois state level from 1995-2005. We analyzed reports of disbursements from this PAC, searching for “Kenya,” “Odinga” and “ODM." We came up with no matches.)
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The report goes on to prove that Obama is not related to Odinga as alleged.
Polls show that McCain's support has dropped because of his campaign's use of attack ads and scandalous material which turns out to be fraudulent. Distributing this kind of information is hurting the McCain campaign.
The BO spin machines have been busy "fighting the smears" and parsing words and scrubbing the web again.
Of course, we all know that just because someone doesn't register a PAC, doesn't mean there aren't dealings going on in foreign countries where they don't have the same election laws and rules as we have in the USA.
But, anyway, people can believe what they want to believe about this issue. It took a little digging on Google, but I did find a link to the ORIGINAL internal memo document from the ODM which does not appear to be a fax:
Now, unless there is another Senator BO somewhere that the world doesn't know about who has ties to Kenya, we can only take it at face value.
Document is here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/204096/thread/1200846405/last-1200846405/ODM
Bottom line, people will believe what they choose to believe, based upon either facts or spin by political machines.
Of course, we all know that just because someone doesn't register a PAC, doesn't mean there aren't dealings going on in foreign countries where they don't have the same election laws and rules as we have in the USA.
But, anyway, people can believe what they want to believe about this issue. It took a little digging on Google, but I did find a link to the ORIGINAL internal memo document from the ODM which does not appear to be a fax:
#37 on the list is Friends of Senator BO
Now, unless there is another Senator BO somewhere that the world doesn't know about who has ties to Kenya, we can only take it at face value.
Document is here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/204096/thread/1200846405/last-1200846405/ODM
Bottom line, people will believe what they choose to believe, based upon either facts or spin by political machines.
JustChristian
New Member
LadyEagle said:
This is a report from the St. Petersburg (Fla) newspaper. Now I've been to St. Petersburg and I don't consider that to be a hotbed of liberalism. It's mostly retirees. This is an independent, unbiased analysis of the story you quoted from "Worldnet Daily" which definitely biased towards the radical right. Some of information provided was from the Washington Times which of course is owned by the "Rev." Sung Yung Moon. Now there's a good source for Christians to use.
donnA said:
I honestly believe that we are seeing this scripture being fulfilled today.
I can think of no other reason for the lack of concern re: O's background.:tear:
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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just-want-peace said:
From the verse you quoted you think that anyone who is not drawn in by these scare tactics will not be converted?
Thats the context for your verse.
I would be concerned if there was a better source than a memo only uncovered by the WND.
Well, like I said, it's up to people to form their own opinions on these matters.
However, the story did not originate with the Republican party as you claim in the OP. It is all over the web, mostly refudiated by Obama supporters and the Obama campaign.
However, the story did not originate with the Republican party as you claim in the OP. It is all over the web, mostly refudiated by Obama supporters and the Obama campaign.
C4K said:
I am not sure the memo was "only" uncovered by WND. In fact, here is a link to the memo and WND fingerprints are not on it.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/204096/thread/1200846405/last-1200846405/ODM
BaptistBeliever said:
I figure the smears will only get worse over the next few weeks. The pressure is on to turn America against Obama and the imaginations of people are running wild with how to smear his name and credibility. I have two problem with it, one is how many "Christians" are participating and spreading the gossip and second, I am in awe with the depth one American will go to smear the reputation of another American. Who needs enemies with kinship like this?
windcatcher
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LeBuick said:
So are you agreeing with the OP that if misinformation comes from a pro-Obama blogger, or a 'liberal' news media, that the charge it is from the Obama-Democrat campaign and they should take responsibility? Some here defend the Party and the Candidate if mis- information is not 'officially dispensed' by the candidate or his party....... as when it favors Obama. But BB changes the standards and by his own words he condems 'the Republican campaign' as being the source responsible for information which he says is mis-leading, when clearly, by your own admission, the information is generated or circulated by bloggers, emails, or publishing media, which clearly is not within the control of the Republican campaign!
The OP makes an inflammatory charge which it has not proved in saying
Without knowing the originating source ....... for all any of us know, whichever is true, which ever is false...... it could be a plant which distracts from real issues and enlargest divisions. When we make FALSE ACCUSATIONS beyond merely presenting the information..... we are making ourselves judges.....not of the truth to which we are not witness..... but to the assumptions which we add in presenting the information.
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canadyjd
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And Obama never trained ACORN leaders, and Bill Ayers was just a guy who lived in the neighborhood, and Obama never heard his pastor say hateful words, and the felon Risko (SP?) was just a guy building apartments and it was a coincidence that Risko bought a piece of property for full asking price on the same day that Obama bought the house next door for $300,000 less than the asking price, and Obama never sponsored a bill that would let babies born alive during an abortion die without receiving medical care, and Obama never supporting teaching sex ed to 7 yr. olds, and Obama has never voted to raise taxes on incomes of $42,000, and Obama knew all along the surge would work even though he said it wouldn't, and Obama voted against funding the troops even though he promised he wouldn't vote against the bill because his McCain voted against a timetable, and Obama didn't break his word on public financing, and Obama never said he would meet face to face with Iran's president without pre-conditions....BaptistBeliever said:
And the republicans are lying and Obama is chopping down cherry trees.
Yeh, right
peace to you
raying:
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LeBuick said:
Do you deny that Obama has kinship in Kenya? Do you deny Obama went over to Kenya in support of Odinga? That is complete with a picture all over the web on various news sites. In fact, Obama was dressed up in the Luo tribal costume.
Are you wanting us to believe that "Friends of Senator BO" must be some figment of right-wing imagination? Surely if the right-wingers or Republican Party were going to concoct a fabrication and smear campaign, they could do much better than this with all of the millions of dollars (rich class) at their disposal.
I have problems with things too, one is how "Christians" seem to turn their back on how other Christians were burned to death inside their churches when the election in Kenya didn't go the way the Odinga supporters wanted it to. It's almost like it's no big deal to Obamanites and we are just expected to dismiss any facts or research just because the Obama campaign says it ain't so. Did Obama specifically denouce Christians being burned alive in churches, Christians being raped? I don't recall that. Perhaps he made some general statements, but I don't recall him being specific about it or pointing fingers at Odinga. Please furnish us the details of where he denounced murder and mayhem over in Kenya by the Odinga followers. The news media tried to deceive Americans by little reporting of it when it was news and it was biased reporting when it was reported.
Well, do you, LB, deny Obama has roots in Kenya and has relatives living in Kenya? Do you deny his involvement in Kenyan politics?
I am in awe of how far Obamanites will go to the depths of drinking denial Koolaid. Did you even bother to watch the video or look at the link to the Orange Party document or are you just pontificating again, LB?
canadyjd said:And Obama never trained ACORN leaders, and Bill Ayers was just a guy who lived in the neighborhood, and Obama never heard his pastor say hateful words, and the felon Risko (SP?) was just a guy building apartments and it was a coincidence that Risko bought a piece of property for full asking price on the same day that Obama bought the house next door for $300,000 less than the asking price, and Obama never sponsored a bill that would let babies born alive during an abortion die without receiving medical care, and Obama never supporting teaching sex ed to 7 yr. olds, and Obama has never voted to raise taxes on incomes of $42,000, and Obama knew all along the surge would work even though he said it wouldn't, and Obama voted against funding the troops even though he promised he wouldn't vote against the bill because his McCain voted against a timetable, and Obama didn't break his word on public financing, and Obama never said he would meet face to face with Iran's president without pre-conditions....
And the republicans are lying and Obama is chopping down cherry trees.
Yeh, right
peace to you
:laugh: :laugh:
Did Obama violate the Logan Act when he went to Kenya and Supported Odinga - and yes, Odinga claims that he and Barack Obama are cousins.
The video is here:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977473963
The video is here:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977473963
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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LadyEagle said:
Well, you got me, that certainly looks authentic and trustworthy.
windcatcher said:
No, if you read my post I said conservative bloggers. I have not suggested when the campaign puts out. One is not the same. You think the DNC endorsed Lewis statement? He was on his own with that comment. Just as we know McCain didn't endorse calling Obama an Arab.
What I am saying is there are bloggers on both sides planting seeds in dirt that don't exist so until I see a credible source carry the news I count is as just that. Something I saw on the many miles of Internet I travel each day.