November 11th, 100th Anniversary of Armistice.

[shodan]

Philip Jenkins, historian, Baylor prof. --
"Dare I say that the Christian world we know today is the product of 1918?"

Destroyed native Christian populations of Middle East, e.g. Armenian genocide of 1+ million, etc., prepared seedbed for World War, part two.

https://zeitgeistcontext.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/november-11th-one-hundred-years-christians-what-have-we-learned/

 

[Wingman68]

 

[carpro]

It ended the killing...for the moment.

The bad part is that, yes, the terms of the Armistice set the wheels in motion for WWII.

 

[church mouse guy]

It also set up the Soviet Union because Germany aided Lenin in getting started. Dick Morris says that World War I only ended with the fall of the Soviet Union.

 

[InTheLight]

It ended the killing...for the moment.

The bad part is that, yes, the terms of the Armistice set the wheels in motion for WWII.

An argument can be made that perhaps the Allies should have driven the Germans out of France and gotten a surrender. Perhaps WWII would never occurred. On the other hand, the loss of life would have continued...

 

[Squire Robertsson]

From what I've read, that was GEN Pershing's goal. But, Wilson wanted peace without victory. And the Brits and French were bled dry. So, the Armistice was brokered. It also gave rise to the stab in the back meme of the Germans. Black Jack knew he had the Germans "on the run" and wanted to go all "Grant" on them.

An argument can be made that perhaps the Allies should have driven the Germans out of France and gotten a surrender. Perhaps WWII would have never occurred. On the other hand, the loss of life would have continued...

 

[Matt Black]

We should have occupied the bulk of Germany in 1919 like we did in 1945 to show the Germans they really were militarily defeated and not just 'stabbed in the back'

 

[carpro]

We should have occupied the bulk of Germany in 1919 like we did in 1945 to show the Germans they really were militarily defeated and not just 'stabbed in the back'

Yes. But that would require a clear cut victory and/or a surrender by Germany. Apparently, none of the allies had the will to do what was necessary to make that happen.

 

[Matt Black]

I think Lloyd George and Clemenceau had the will to do it but wouldn't have been able to carry their government colleagues, still less their war weary troops (the French Army was still recovering from the 1917 mutinies); with the US it was if anything the other way around, with Black Jack and the Doughboys prepared to march through Metz into the heart of Germany but Wilson sticking doggedly to his Fourteen Points.

 

[church mouse guy]

An Englishman, a Frenchman, a Spainard, and a German are sitting in the back of a bar. The bartender waves to them and says, "Hey, you guys back there! Can you see me?"

They look up and answer, "Yes, Oui, Si, Ja"

(Common sense evaluation)

 

[Covenanter]

At the local CofE over 150 people gathered for the Remembrance service instead of 20+ for the once monthly Sunday service only 2 of us had white poppies with red ones. A boy read very well from Mat. 5; the Vicar spoke spoke on how the war affected all sides, & that Germans who spoke against Hitler 'disappeared.' No Gospel. Then out to the war memorial & nearly an hour of mentions of the dead from the area & pictures put on the memorial - to be blown off again.

I saw the UK leaders gathered round the Cenotaph laying their wreaths for the dead. So much veneration of the "unknown Soldier" but none for the known soldiers, suffering PTSD, many homeless & sleeping on the street.

No mention of the support we are giving to continuing wars in the Middle East nor the suffering Yemeni civilians being killed by "our" bombs by Saudi Arabia - "we must support them to maintain our arms industry.

WE HAVE A GOSPEL OF PEACE WITH GOD & EACH OTHER! MAY OUR GOD RAISE UP PREACHERS & GIVE THEM A HEARING.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

C in some ways now you understand why we Americans split our observances.

 

[Covenanter]

I read this after my previous post.

An Alternative Remembrance Sunday Ceremony took place at 1.00pm on 11 November in Tavistock Square, London. It was organised by the Peace Pledge Union (PPU) and ten other organisations that make up the First World War Peace Forum. The ceremony took place under the banner ‘No More War: Let’s make peace happen’.

I hope I can be more active in the coming year.

 

[Covenanter]

The Lord Mayor of Sheffield’s powerful words remind us of the terrible truth about war

In 2016, 28-year-old Magid – a Green Party councillor – took office as the youngest ever Lord Mayor. His family fled war-torn Somalia when he was five. Ahead of Remembrance Day, he made a powerful statement on Facebook. He acknowledged everyone who “saw and survived the pain, misery and destruction of war in the first part of the 20th century”. He says “millions of innocent men, women and children slaughtered with disregard and disdain amid the brutality of war” quite rightly said “Never Again”.

But he also reminds us that when “politicians and powerful business” people sit “in comfortable chairs on comfier salaries in distant offices” to “impose war on the masses” they’re never the ones who “make the ultimate sacrifice”.

We need more immigrants like him.

 

[church mouse guy]

The Lord Mayor of Sheffield’s powerful words remind us of the terrible truth about war



We need more immigrants like him.

And what does he say about the fact that Islam has murdered 270,000,000 in the last 1400 years?

 

[Covenanter]

And what does he say about the fact that Islam has murdered 270,000,000 in the last 1400 years?

I haven't asked him, but I think you can guess from this quote -

Magid strikes me as unusually untroubled by self-doubt. He agrees. He is well aware of some hostility on the council towards him and his ideas, but he says it is concentrated in one party, which he won’t name. His plan is to “kill it with kindness and bury it with a smile. You could be the most racist person to me; I will still open that door for you. You can’t solve hate with hate. That doesn’t solve anything whatsoever. I will still be kind to you, because at the end of the day you’re human; we all go through the same problems, same issues, face the same things, and I believe people can come around just by meeting people. I treat people with kindness, because arguing doesn’t solve anything.”

 

[church mouse guy]

I haven't asked him, but I think you can guess from this quote -

270,000,000 in 1400 years and more everyday.

 

[shodan]

Yes. But that would require a clear cut victory and/or a surrender by Germany. Apparently, none of the allies had the will to do what was necessary to make that happen.

Even if they 'had the will' to continue with what one called the 'Satanic carnage' none had the wherewithall. It was a stalemate.

 

[carpro]

Even if they 'had the will' to continue with what one called the 'Satanic carnage' none had the wherewithall. It was a stalemate.

I don't agree. Once the United States entered the fray, they did have the ability and the manpower to get it done. The limited time the US was involved, the allies already had the Germans on their heels waiting for a knockout punch that never came.