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Obama actually slamming Trump

Gold Dragon

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The McCain eulogy was a light jab compared to this. I'm sure your news sources will not highlight the sections where he criticizes democrats and supports republicans since that doesn't fit the narratives they want to perpetuate. Here are some quotes that may interest folks here. I know it comes from a "classless jerk" as carpro likes to call him, but this jerk is a well versed student of the great American story.

Read transcript of former President Obama's speech, blasting President Trump

Sound familiar? Now, understand, this is not just a matter of Democrats versus Republicans or liberals versus conservatives. At various times in our history, this kind of politics has infected both parties. Southern Democrats were the bigger defenders of slavery. It took a Republican President, Abraham Lincoln, to end it. Dixiecrats filibustered anti-lynching legislation, opposed the idea of expanding civil rights, and although it was a Democratic President and a majority Democratic Congress, spurred on by young marchers and protesters, that got the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act over the finish line, those historic laws also got passed because of the leadership of Republicans like Illinois' own Everett Dirksen.

So neither party has had a monopoly on wisdom, neither party has been exclusively responsible for us going backwards instead of forwards. But I have to say this because sometimes we hear, oh, a plague on both your houses. Over the past few decades, it wasn't true when Jim Edgar was governor here in Illinois or Jim Thompson was governor. I've got a lot of good Republican friends here in Illinois.

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And, by the way, the claim that everything will turn out OK because there are people inside the White House who secretly aren't following the President's orders, that is not a check – I'm being serious here – that's not how our democracy is supposed to work.

These people aren't elected. They're not accountable.They're not doing us a service by actively promoting 90 percent of the crazy stuff that's coming out of this White House and then saying, Don't worry, we're preventing the other 10 percent. That's not how things are supposed to work. This is not normal.

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I'll be honest, sometimes I get into arguments with progressive friends about what the current political movement requires. There are well-meaning folks passionate about social justice, who think things have gotten so bad, the lines have been so starkly drawn, that we have to fight fire with fire, we have to do the same things to the Republicans that they do to us, adopt their tactics, say whatever works, make up stuff about the other side. I don't agree with that. It's not because I'm soft. It's not because I'm interested in promoting an empty bipartisanship. I don't agree with it because eroding our civic institutions and our civic trust and making people angrier and yelling at each other and making people cynical about government, that always works better for those who don't believe in the power of collective action.

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When I say bring people together, I mean all of our people. You know, this whole notion that has sprung up recently about Democrats need to choose between trying to appeal to the white working class voters, or voters of color, and women and LGBT Americans, that's nonsense. I don't buy that.

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And we can't do that if we immediately disregard what others have to say from the start because they're not like us, because they're not – because they're white or they're black or they're men or women, or they're gay or they're straight; if we think that somehow there's no way they can understand how I'm feeling, and therefore don't have any standing to speak on certain matters because we're only defined by certain characteristics.

That doesn't work if you want a healthy democracy. We can't do that if we traffic in absolutes when it comes to policy. You know, to make democracy work we have to be able to get inside the reality of people who are different, have different experiences, come from different backgrounds. We have to engage them even when it is frustrating; we have to listen to them even when we don't like what they have to say; we have to hope that we can change their minds and we have to remain open to them changing ours.

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Do not let people tell you the fight's not worth it because you won't get everything that you want. The idea that, well, you know there's racism in America so I'm not going to bother voting. No point. That makes no sense. You can make it better. Better's always worth fighting for. That's how our founders expected this system of self-government to work; that through the testing of ideas and the application of reason and evidence and proof, we could sort through our difference sand nobody would get exactly what they wanted, but it would be possible to find a basis for common ground.

And that common ground exists. Maybe it's not fashionable to say that right now. It's hard to see it with all the nonsense in Washington, it's hard to hear it with all the noise. But common ground exists. I have seen it.I have lived it. I know there are white people who care deeply about black people being treated unfairly. I have talked to them and loved them. And I know there are black people who care deeply about the struggles of white rural America. I'm one of them and I have a track record to prove it.

I know there are evangelicals who are deeply committed to doing something about climate change. I've seen them do the work. I know there are conservatives who think there's nothing compassionate about separating immigrant children from their mothers. I know there are Republicans who believe government should only perform a few minimal functions but that one of those functions should be making sure nearly 3,000 Americans don't die in a hurricane and its aftermath.

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The biggest threat to our democracy is indifference. The biggest threat to our democracy is cynicism – a cynicism that's led too many people to turn away from politics and stay home on Election Day. To all the young people who are here today, there are now more eligible voters in your generation than in any other, which means your generation now has more power than anybody to change things. If you want it, you can make sure America gets out of its current funk. If you actually care about it, you have the power to make sure we seize a brighter future. But to exercise that clout, to exercise that power, you have to show up.

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And that can be the legacy of your generation. You can be the generation that at a critical moment stood up and reminded us just how precious this experiment in democracy really is, just how powerful it can be when we fight for it, when we believe in it. I believe in you. I believe you will help lead us in the right direction.
 
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Adonia

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Obama was guilty of everything he accused Trump of. Only one man tried to make new laws all by himself and it wasn't Trump. Only one man actually used the IRS against his political opposition and it wasn't Trump. Only one man used the FISA court to spy against another American and it wasn't Trump. Only one man's AG was ever held in contempt of the Congress and it wasn't Trump's. Only one man stifled the free market system with regulation after regulation and it wasn't Trump. Only one man lied time and time again about his healthcare program and it wasn't Trump. Only one man agreed to the worst foreign policy deal with the Iranians and it wasn't Trump. And on and on it went with that complete failure of a President, one Barrack Huessein Obama - an empty suit if there ever was one.
 

FollowTheWay

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Obama was guilty of everything he accused Trump of. Only one man tried to make new laws all by himself and it wasn't Trump. Only one man actually used the IRS against his political opposition and it wasn't Trump. Only one man used the FISA court to spy against another American and it wasn't Trump. Only one man's AG was ever held in contempt of the Congress and it wasn't Trump's. Only one man stifled the free market system with regulation after regulation and it wasn't Trump. Only one man lied time and time again about his healthcare program and it wasn't Trump. Only one man agreed to the worst foreign policy deal with the Iranians and it wasn't Trump. And on and on it went with that complete failure of a President, one Barrack Huessein Obama - an empty suit if there ever was one.
Executive orders by president.jpg

Can you find Obama on this list? He's at number 16 under GW Bush. Trump isn't included on this chart because it was produced in Jan. of 2017 but I have data on him separately. Can you see how ridiculous your unsupported statements are/
 

InTheLight

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President Obama averaged 35 executive orders per year while president Trump is averaging 52.
Executive Orders
If you actually read them (and we know you don't) you will find that most of Trump's executive orders are calls for a study to be done on something and a report to be written about the study, whereas Obama's EO's actually made policy. Legislation via his pen.

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FollowTheWay

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If you actually read them (and we know you don't) you will find that most of Trump's executive orders are calls for a study to be done on something and a report to be written about the study, whereas Obama's EO's actually made policy. Legislation via his pen.

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Here are Trump's (and the other President's) executive orders. Read them yourself.
Federal Register :: Executive Orders
 

Yeshua1

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Why are Trump's legal and Obama's were not?
obama did many that were not constitutional, as when it took it upon himself to mandate thngs in regards to immogration, which is Congress to do, and to keep amending Obamacare, again only Congres can do that!
 

church mouse guy

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A lot of Trump's orders were undoing Obama's. Obama bragged that he had a pen and a phone so he drew attention to himself. Some of Obama's orders were overturned by the courts, if my memory serves me right.

Obama said that he was going to follow the modern tradition and allow his successor to proceed without his criticism, but he has been a shadow president, following Trump around the world and trying to stay in the limelight. However, he is poison on the campaign trail and many Democrats are telling Obama that they do not want him to campaign for them. Obama did so little for blacks that now they approve of Trump by 36%. Nancy Pelosi is so hysterical over this development that she has actually called some black Republicans such as Will Johnson by the name of white racists as Antifa did to Candace Owens outside a Philadelphia coffee shop about a month ago--that was very funny because the cops were all black or Hispanic and Antifa were all white rich kids calling black working people white racists.

Obama sometimes wears a tan suit.

Obama is the deep state. He ordered all of the FBI tricks against Trump and ignored all of the criminal acts of Hillary Clinton. Hillary belongs in federal prison and Obama should be investigated by the US Marshals Office or someone, but Trump and the GOP don't want to bother. Hillary Clinton wants to run again in 2020 just to make sure that her first loss was real.
 
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HankD

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Can you find Obama on this list? He's at number 16 under GW Bush. Trump isn't included on this chart because it was produced in Jan. of 2017 but I have data on him separately. Can you see how ridiculous your unsupported statements are/
Not necessarily ridiculous as it also depends on the nature, scope and restriction of the executive orders (of which much documentation has been supplied).

Obama's were apparently stifling to capitalistic endeavors.
 

Yeshua1

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A lot of Trump's orders were undoing Obama's. Obama bragged that he had a pen and a phone so he drew attention to himself. Some of Obama's orders were overturned by the courts, if my memory serves me right.

Obama said that he was going to follow the modern tradition and allow his successor to proceed without his criticism, but he has been a shadow president, following Trump around the world and trying to stay in the limelight. However, he is poison on the campaign trail and many Democrats are telling Obama that they do not want him to campaign for them. Obama did so little for blacks that now they approve of Trump by 36%. Nancy Pelosi is so hysterical over this development that she has actually called some black Republicans such as Will Johnson by the name of white racists as Antifa did to Candace Owens outside a Philadelphia coffee shop about a month ago--that was very funny because the cops were all black or Hispanic and Antifa were all white rich kids calling black working people white racists.

Obama sometimes wears a tan suit.

Obama is the deep state. He ordered all of the FBI tricks against Trump and ignored all of the criminal acts of Hillary Clinton. Hillary belongs in federal prison and Obama should be investigated by the US Marshals Office or someone, but Trump and the GOP don't want to bother. Hillary Clinton wants to run again in 2020 just to make sure that her first loss was real.
The best thing that could happen is for mR Obama to lash out and talk wild, as that will solify and ralley the reublicans to make sure crazy dems kept out of office!
 

FollowTheWay

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obama did many that were not constitutional, as when it took it upon himself to mandate thngs in regards to immogration, which is Congress to do, and to keep amending Obamacare, again only Congres can do that!
Incredible given the mandates Trump has put out on immigration!
 

InTheLight

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Glanced at the titles and read a few. i see nothing indicating that Obama's were illegal as has been asserted here while Trump's were not.
Moving the goal posts again, I see.

Let's review. Do keep up.

Your point was that Trump had issued more executive orders than Obama.

I said most of Trump's EO's were inconsequential studies whereas Obama's had the force of law. My point being that it's not the quantity, it's what comprises them.

You counter by saying Obama's weren't illegal.

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Gold Dragon

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Another section that should appeal across party lines but may not in these tribal "truth is not truth" times.

Oh, I am here to tell you that even if you don't agree with me or Democrats on policy, even if you believe in more Libertarian economic theories, even if you are an evangelical and our position on certain social issues is a bridge too far, even if you think my assessment of immigration is mistaken and that Democrats aren't serious enough about immigration enforcement, I'm here to tell you that you should still be concerned with our current course and should still want to see a restoration of honesty and decency and lawfulness in our government.

It should not be Democratic or Republican, it should not be a partisan issue to say that we do not pressure the attorney general or the FBI to use the criminal justice system as a cudgel to punish our political opponents.

Or to explicitly call on the attorney general to protect members of our own party from prosecution because an election happens to be coming up. I'm not making that up. That's not hypothetical. It shouldn't be Democratic or Republican to say that we don't threaten the freedom of the press because – they say things or publish stories we don't like.
 

Adonia

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Incredible given the mandates Trump has put out on immigration!

The things President Trump has put out on immigration were well within his constitutional powers. Obama on the other hand, whose job was only to enforce laws passed by the Congress actually, tried to pass a new immigration law all by himself with his DACA executive order. He was caught on video time after time telling Hispanic audiences and others that there was nothing he could do for this group of people, and then suddenly he does it.

That being said, please tell me where President Trump went beyond his constitutional powers?
 
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