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No, that's what happens when you get the government involved in selecting religious leaders to represent the community of faith. The political leadership makes decisions based for political, social, economic, or sometimes spiritual reasons.

George W. Bush started the tradition of having a council like this - concerns about separation of church and state were dismissed - and Obama has followed in his footsteps with the same sort of thing, although it is staffed according to the whims/tactics of POTUS.

For those of you who want government to provide support to religious causes, this is what you will get.

Here's more information on the council and its current membership.

 

A lot of so called faith based Christians made it clear that you were electing a President and NOT a Pastor during the last election cycle.

So why do you care who he appoints to a faith based advisory council? Can transsexuals not have their sin forgiven? Do they not have an interest in the things of faith?

Some of you continue to show yourselves as beyond silly. Y'all didn't have much of a problem nominating and supporting a Mormon who rejects Jesus Christ. And more of you have no problem supporting this amoral, anti-Christ known as Donald Trump.

But the President is the one being distasteful and slapping Christians in the face?

Man go have a seat on a pew at the back of the church.

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Sadly your idea of separation of church and state was not the founders idea of it.

 

Since I have read the founder's writings, as well as the founding documents, I am quite confident regarding where the winning side of the argument around separation of church and state stood.

I'm not relying on poorly researched videos and books that only quote the losing side of the issue.

And as I have pointed out to you privately before, that Patrick Henry quote in your sig is not accurate. It is from commentary on the words of Patrick Henry that someone (probably David Barton) decided to attribute to Patrick Henry.

I provided documentation of that fact - including a link to David Barton's website where he admits it is "unsubstantiated", but that apparently inconvenient facts make no difference to you.

 

Uh that fact that chaplains were established for congress, Bible printing was sanctioned by congress alone negates your view of separation of church and state. It was never intended to create a government devoid of God but only to make sure the people could not be made to worship according to the government mandates.

As far as your other nonsense about my signature you need to go back and read what Barton did. Your characterization is incomplete and therefore erroneous. However, your focus on my signature out of the blue and unsolicited shows your disdain for the biblical founding of this country. Sad.

 

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Given the topic of this thread it is about time for magnetic Poles to come out from lurking.

 

Ann you're gonna have to help me with this one. But where in Scripture is this addressed?

This helps with the first question.

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This "news" is about two months old. Agree that this is another Bush initiative gone terribly bad. Want proof?:

 

Do not trust anything this Obama-Nation does or says, he is a Extreme Left-Wing Liberal and it Pro-Abortion / Pro-LGBTQ Mafia / Pro-muslim brotherhood / Anti-Christian and Jewish People / Anti-Israel-Yisrael / Very Antisemitism / Anti-USA Everything!!

Billy Graham Said: The only way for our Nation to Turn around is get on our Knees and Pray too our True God who art in Heaven!!

( I Thessalonians 5:16-18 KJV ) “Rejoice evermore. Pray Without Ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the Will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.”!!

 

Yup. And Christians should think twice before supporting organized prayer in public schools because it would open the door for all religions, including the FSM. (Flying spaghetti monster.)

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Wonder if he was thinking about that in 2012 when they pulled Mormonism off the list of cults?

 

You can't put that genie back in the bottle, it's not the 20th century anymore, but I think the Bible, the Mormon Bible and the Koran should be all read in public schools, some kind of comparative religion course. To be familiar with them can explain a lot about the overall agenda. Throwing in irreligion is okay, too, the secular humanism and materialism promoted by them is closer to philosophy but close enough.

 

I see no harm in what you are saying. When I was in high school we had an elective course called "The Bible as Literature".

I would have a problem with a daily prayer conducted in the classroom, or over the intercom, i.e. Monday is the Muslim prayer, Tuesday is the Buddhist prayer, Wednesday is Christian protestant prayer, Thursday is Christian Catholic prayer, Friday is Hindu prayer.

 

Let's all agree, Obama when he has the chance most always slaps Christ in the face with his evil agenda. When he quotes the bible it is usually to discredit it. Now he appoints this thing as a faith based appointment. Come on now. Look at this guy. This is like appointing a known homosexual as the safe school zar, Oh wait he did that with Kevin Jennings. Whatever is the moral thing to do, Obama does a 180 and does the most evil he can fathom. Kind of like Satan.

 

The role of the chaplain began before the Constitution or First Amendment was conceived (in fact, the first Congressional chaplain defected to the British in 1777) and is not mentioned in the Constitution. It has been a longstanding practice to have someone recite prayers, although it has been controversial through the years. James Madison eventually realized that the practice was unconstitutional, among others, but they were dealing with bigger issues in those days.

So yes, Congress did something that was inconsistent with their stated beliefs and ideals. Just as the Founders agreed that all "men" were entitled to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", they did not extend that viewpoint to the millions of slaves of African descent.

I don't know which alleged incident of sanctioning you're referring to here. In his older works, Barton has claimed the Northwest Ordinance sanctioned the printing of Bibles (until that was completely discredited) and in recent years he has been making the claim that Aitken Bible was printed by Congress for use in schools (which has also been completely refuted).

Unless you can give me some specifics, this is just a meaningless allegation.

I would appreciate it if you would not take it upon yourself to tell me what my view of separation of church and state might be. For the record, it is not about "a government devoid of God" (which is not even possible), but a government that is neutral toward religious ideas, institutions and practices - a government that does not use its power, prestige, or property to support or restrict religious viewpoints. It supports freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

Barton's statement on the matter is Unconfirmed Quotation #2 down toward the middle of the page. Barton has admitted that he has not been able to find the quote (despite publishing it with a false citation) and mentioned it was first found in a 1956 article in The Virginian. What Barton does not say is that the quote is actually a quote ABOUT Patrick Henry, rather than a quote FROM Patrick Henry. This is an error Barton makes frequently in his research.

That should have been made clear by the other link I sent which actually quotes from The Virginian.

Barton does make the point that false quote is not completely inconsistent with Henry's views. He did not support separation of church and state and was on the "losing" side of the issue.

Patrick Henry did not believe that churches could survive without tax support, so he introduced a bill to tax citizens to support churches, although they would somehow get to designate their tax monies toward approved churches. The bill didn't get anywhere.

You made the charge that my views of separation of church and state were incompatible with the founders views. That charge is ridiculous, especially coming from someone who is sporting a false quote from Patrick Henry in his sig. Since I had already communicating with you privately about it so as not to embarrass you publicly - because I thought you might actually care about what is true - I thought it was appropriate to call you out on it publicly.

I great respect for the true history of this great nation and those men and women who established religious liberty for us. I have disdain for those who attempt to corrupt history and tell lies that dishonor God and enslave the minds of those who believe them.