Obama is not a Christian

[mandym]

FALSANI: "Do you believe in heaven?"

OBAMA: "Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?"

FALSANI: "A place spiritually you go to after you die?"

OBAMA: "What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing. When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."

FALSANI: "Do you believe in sin?"

OBAMA: "Yes."

FALSANI: "What is sin?"

OBAMA: "Being out of alignment with my values."

FALSANI: "What happens if you have sin in your life?"

OBAMA: "I think it's the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I'm true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward; when I'm not true to it, it's its own punishment."

Obama said he is a Christian but that he also draws beliefs from other religions.

"I am a Christian. So, I have a deep faith," he said. "So, I draw from the Christian faith. On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences. I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10. My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim. And I'd say, probably, intellectually I've drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith."

He added, "So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=37310

 

[DaChaser1]

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=37310

Think that the president has here officially announced that he is NOT a Christian in biblical, but cultural sense!

 

[plain_n_simple]

Obama is not a Christian

So, what is your point?

 

[preachinjesus]

It's so sad that my denomination's "news source" saw fit to carry this article. I thought we were in the business of offering the grace of the Gospel to people...not tightening the tent strings and accusing others.

But this is direction of our ill-fated leadership. Instead of talking about what God is actually doing in the world and what we're seeing done for His Kingdom we have to waste space talking about who is or isn't a believer. Just sad, so sad.

I would remind the OP that the article points out: Obama was not asked about his beliefs on the deity of Christ or the resurrection.

These beliefs have been, historically, the means whereby we can understand orthodox and heterodoxy. Not others.

 

[mandym]

It's so sad that my denomination's "news source" saw fit to carry this article. I thought we were in the business of offering the grace of the Gospel to people...not tightening the tent strings and accusing others.

But this is direction of our ill-fated leadership. Instead of talking about what God is actually doing in the world and what we're seeing done for His Kingdom we have to waste space talking about who is or isn't a believer. Just sad, so sad.

I would remind the OP that the article points out: Obama was not asked about his beliefs on the deity of Christ or the resurrection.

These beliefs have been, historically, the means whereby we can understand orthodox and heterodoxy. Not others.

You can certainly disagree with the posting of this true information about a President who is lost as the day is long and who tries to use scripture to justify his forcing Americans to do what ever he wants. But you need to be more honest about your criticism. This article was not posted "instead of" talking about these other things.

 

[plain_n_simple]

So is this thread to inform people that O'Bama is not a Christian, so don't vote for him? What is the point?

 

[billwald]

Anyone who gives details about activities in Heaven is blowing smoke.

All wisdom comes from the Holy Spirit as is taught under the doctrine of common grace.

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

Without seeing that, based on the things he supports, a safe assumption would be that he isn't a christian.

 

[mont974x4]

No he is not a Christian?


Why is that important? A reading of 1 and 2 Kings and 1 and 2 Chronicles tells us that as the leader goes, so goes the nation.

example:
1Ki 15:25 Now Nadab the son of Jeroboam became king over Israel in the second year of Asa king of Judah, and he reigned over Israel two years.
1Ki 15:26 He did evil in the sight of the LORD, and walked in the way of his father and in his sin which he made Israel sin.



The people are led into sin and the people share in the judgment that is rightfully due from God for the sins of the nation.

Here in the US we vote for our elected officials. As a Christian we should be voting for men of character that will allow the Gospel to be freely preached and will lead us in righteousness. So, yes, the religious (and therefore ethical and moral) beliefs of the person is very important.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Nope....he is a BS artist which is the perfect qualifier for a politician. He even brings his kids into his little fable! "BO stinks" :tongue3:

 

[InTheLight]

I would remind the OP that the article points out: Obama was not asked about his beliefs on the deity of Christ or the resurrection.

These beliefs have been, historically, the means whereby we can understand orthodox and heterodoxy. Not others.

Obama defines the Christian 'tradition' as:

"I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."

I didn't see anything in his definition of Christianity alluding to the diety of Christ or the resurrection. As we all know, as any Christian should know, belief in the resurrection is THE ONLY WAY to Heaven, so why didn't Obama mention it as a Christian tradition? He's a pretty smart guy, surely he knows orthodox Christian beliefs.

 

[mandym]

I would remind the OP that the article points out: Obama was not asked about his beliefs on the deity of Christ or the resurrection.

These beliefs have been, historically, the means whereby we can understand orthodox and heterodoxy. Not others.

Historically we understand that Jesus is the only way to the Father. A Christian does not seek to pull from different religions but only scripture.

 

[righteousdude2]

And How Is This Different than....

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=37310

...the discussions on RW and Chrislam? Are you not making a judgment of another person's life and understanding of what being a Christian is?

I think many of us agree that he is more than likely not a Christian, according to our terminology and understanding of the Scripture, but it does point out to me that you have drawn a conclusion, and are publicly making a point, which is only what Solo Saint (myself and others) did, based upon an article from a link he trusted, sort of like what you have done?

As Plain N Simple asked, "what is your point?"

Is that a log in your eye? My, my, it must hurt quite a bit.... :tonofbricks:

 

[plain_n_simple]

Again, what is the point? So we do not vote for him?

So we can write down in a book that so and so is not a Christian?

 

[carpro]

I thought everyone already knew he wasn't a Christian. :tonofbricks:

 

[plain_n_simple]

What does it matter?

 

[SolaSaint]

Kind goes to show us all how well he did under the preaching and teaching of Rev Wright.

 

[plain_n_simple]

Kind goes to show us all how well he did under the preaching and teaching of Rev Wright.

Many people heard Jesus and rejected Him. Doesn't always have to do with the teacher, but the recievers heart, not that I think much of Wright.

 

[Borneol]

Recall this article in Investors.com about the President's religion. He attended a church in Chicago for a couple decades that practices black liberation theology.

"Obama's Marxist Faith Is Legitimate Campaign Issue"

http://news.investors.com/article/6...rum-questions-religion-of-president-obama.htm

Sample from the article:

...• Cone's book, "Black Theology & Black Power," was required reading for parishioners of Obama's church in Chicago. Trinity United Church of Christ, in fact, is the BLT Vatican of BLT in America — and Obama was steeped in this doctrine for 20 years.

• Obama in his memoir defended the doctrine as sensible, and has called it "the best education I ever had."

• Cone, now a professor in New York, says he sees nothing in Obama's agenda, actions or speech "that contradicts Black Liberation Theology" — he's merely sanded over the "radical edge to it."

Four years ago, Obama quit his church and threw his crackpot preacher under the bus to get elected. But he has yet to find another church. Nor has he disavowed any part of BLT. The few in the media who've quizzed him about it have been stiff-armed.

"Obama declined requests for an interview or to respond to written questions about his thoughts on Jesus, Cone or Black Liberation Theology," McClatchy Newspapers reported in March 2008, just months after we first raised the issue here.

Obama's pseudo-faith, which has little to do with spirituality, cannot be separated from his politics — they're one and the same. His theology is more relevant to the national debate than that of any other presidential candidate in American history.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Kind goes to show us all how well he did under the preaching and teaching of Rev Wright.

Didnt you hear SolaSaint, BO has a new pastor now, MSNBC's PoliticsNation, Rev. Al Sharpton. Go Ax him his position on the Tawana Brawley incident in NYC.

Oh, here is Urban Dictionaries commentary....

tawana brawley

A hoaxer, claimed to have been raped and tortured by NYC police officers over a four day period. Her story was quickly proven to be a complete fabrication, but that didn't prevent Al Sharpton from turning it into an international scandal for the uninformed masses that believe everything they hear.