Oklahoma GOP Post Compared Food-Stamp Recipients to Animals

[Crabtownboy]

Great way to show people you care for them and win their vote.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-gop-post-compares-food-stamp-recipients-animals-32442515

 

[Revmitchell]

"The post, which was removed Tuesday afternoon, also drew immediate criticism from Democrats and Republicans.

"It is not a representation of the party as a whole and it makes the party look uncaring," said state Sen. Stephanie Bice, R-Oklahoma City. "And that is not the GOP I associate myself with."

 

[Don]

quote: During his unsuccessful race for governor against Fallin in 2010, Brogdon drew criticism from fellow Republicans when he called for the creation of a state militia to defend Oklahoma against the federal government's encroachment on state sovereignty.

quote: The Republican governor released a statement saying she appreciated Brogdon removing the post and accepted his explanation. She said welfare reform was an important subject that deserved "respectful, thoughtful conversations."

"Republican values are about honoring the dignity of all Americans, not disparaging them," Fallin said.

 

[Crabtownboy]

"The post, which was removed Tuesday afternoon, also drew immediate criticism from Democrats and Republicans.

"It is not a representation of the party as a whole and it makes the party look uncaring," said state Sen. Stephanie Bice, R-Oklahoma City. "And that is not the GOP I associate myself with."

I agree it is not representative of the party as a whole. Thank God for that. However I do think it is representative of a portion, and I hope and pray it is a very small portion, of the GOP. How else would a person with that attitude raise to the position they held. Surely others in the OK GOP knew of this person's feelings.

It is no surprise it was removed and removed quickly. After all on the scale of the 8 steps to genocide this is step No. 3, to dehumanize others by calling them animals or insects.

There, IMHO, is no place for people holding those views to be in any position of authority in either or any political party.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Great way to show people you care for them and win their vote.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-gop-post-compares-food-stamp-recipients-animals-32442515

Reading comprehension fail.

He didn't compare the recipients to animals. He compared the dependence created by welfare programs to the dependence created when animals are fed and come to see humans as a generous and free source of food, eventually losing the ability to care for themselves.

If you love the poor as much as you self-righteously say you do from way up there on your high horse, why don't you help them, rather than just throw money at them and hope they'll leave you alone for another month?

I don't seem to recall Jesus saying, "Inasmuch as you have outsourced your concern for the poor to the government, you have done it to Me".

 

[Crabtownboy]

Reading comprehension fail.

He didn't compare the recipients to animals. He compared the dependence created by welfare programs to the dependence created when animals are fed and come to see humans as a generous and free source of food, eventually losing the ability to care for themselves.

Splitting of hairs.

If you love the poor as much as you self-righteously say you do from way up there on your high horse, why don't you help them, rather than just throw money at them and hope they'll leave you alone for another month?

Not sure what you are alluding to when you say "just throw money at them".

I do think that we should both, as the metaphor goes, both provide fish for those who need it and teach others to fish. However, it seems that many are opposed to either idea.

I don't seem to recall Jesus saying, "Inasmuch as you have outsourced your concern for the poor to the government, you have done it to Me".

Do you see where he did not say to do this. You argument is a fallacy of omission.

Fallacies of Omission. These errors occur because the logician leaves out necessary material in an argument or misdirects others from missing information.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fal...i57.3063j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

 

[Buckeye Baptist]

Reading comprehension fail.

He didn't compare the recipients to animals. He compared the dependence created by welfare programs to the dependence created when animals are fed and come to see humans as a generous and free source of food, eventually losing the ability to care for themselves.

If you love the poor as much as you self-righteously say you do from way up there on your high horse, why don't you help them, rather than just throw money at them and hope they'll leave you alone for another month?

I don't seem to recall Jesus saying, "Inasmuch as you have outsourced your concern for the poor to the government, you have done it to Me".

How should we help them? The reason there are 40 million people on food stamps is because there are 40 million people living below the poverty line. Surely some of these people could find better employment, but I would guess that many of them are victims of Obama and his economic policies which seek to make everyone poor.

 

[Revmitchell]

Splitting of hairs.

Uh no its not. That is a significant difference and it changes the entire tone. What was said (right or wrongly) was that the behavior or action taken was like like the action of feeding animals. What was not said was that the people were like animals.

Do you see where he did not say to do this. You argument is a fallacy of omission.

Ok, The context of what Jesus said about feeding the poor was as an individual. Doing it as through the government is poor stewardship, puts people into the bondage of handling things with the poor according to the dictates of the government officials. That was not the context nor the spirit of what Jesus said or intended.

 

[Revmitchell]

How should we help them? The reason there are 40 million people on food stamps is because there are 40 million people living below the poverty line. Surely some of these people could find better employment, but I would guess that many of them are victims of Obama and his economic policies which seek to make everyone poor.

I do not mind government programs that assist the poor in and of themselves. What I do mind is that they are set up to keep people on that assistance. There is nothing to go with it that assists people with becoming self sufficient.

Quite honestly I do not believe the progressive left want people self sufficient. They need the issue because it is their strategy to keep voters. If you need them for your livelihood then you need to vote for them.

Supporting such programs that put people into bondage to the government is contrary to scripture. It is a fact that these government programs for the poor are created to enslave people not free them.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Splitting of hairs.

Categorization fallacy.

Not sure what you are alluding to when you say "just throw money at them".

Really? You don't know we give them billions to do nothing?

I do think that we should both, as the metaphor goes, both provide fish for those who need it and teach others to fish. However, it seems that many are opposed to either idea.

I would be opposed to it because it only creates a dependent class.

I would rather help them out of poverty than to just subsidize their poverty.

Do you see where he did not say to do this. You argument is a fallacy of omission.

First of all, yes, by placing the responsibility on His followers, He precluded the government.

Likewise, His prohibition of coveting and stealing preclude the government.

Second, such entitlement programs aren't found anywhere in the Constitution.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I do not mind government programs that assist the poor in and of themselves.

I agree.

What I do mind is that they are set up to keep people on that assistance.

I assume this is not a blanket statement about all people on food stamps. There are people who though illness, handicaps, etc. who will never be able to live independently without support.

There are people on the program who could, if motivated, work, gain new skills and get off the program. I feel there should be programs to help them do this. This could be done through vocational training and education classes.

Guidelines would have to be developed as well as health screening to determine who is in the help forever group versus who is in the group expected to work their way out of the program.

There is nothing to go with it that assists people with becoming self sufficient.

This is where 'teaching them to fish' programs, as described above would come in.

Quite honestly I do not believe the progressive left want people self sufficient. They need the issue because it is their strategy to keep voters. If you need them for your livelihood then you need to vote for them.

Blanket statements are not helpful. I am sure there are some politicians who might share this view. However, there are other politicians who have sold their souls to corporations and are willing to support programs that hurt people while helping corporations. But that is another topic. Might be a good one to start a thread on to discuss.

[Supporting such programs that put people into bondage to the government is contrary to scripture. It is a fact that these government programs for the poor are created to enslave people not free them.

I am not arguing with my questing, but what scripture are you speaking of?

 

[OldRegular]

I agree it is not representative of the party as a whole. Thank God for that. However I do think it is representative of a portion, and I hope and pray it is a very small portion, of the GOP. How else would a person with that attitude raise to the position they held. Surely others in the OK GOP knew of this person's feelings.

It is no surprise it was removed and removed quickly. After all on the scale of the 8 steps to genocide this is step No. 3, to dehumanize others by calling them animals or insects.

There, IMHO, is no place for people holding those views to be in any position of authority in either or any political party.

Nothing dehumanizes people as much as the practice of infanticide.

The OP shows just how decadent the leftist democrat party has become. The slaughter of 56 million unborn children goes unnoticed by Mr. Crab and his leftist party; in fact it is celebrated at their national conventions. But let some idiot Republican make an idiotic comment and Mr. Crab is all over it.

Do you get this stuff from the DNC or do you actually hunt for it on the web Mr. Crab?

 

[Salty]

Part of the problem is all or nothing.

That is - once a person makes X amount of $$ then a good portion of benefits are lost. Therefore, it makes more economic sense NOT to work.

 

[Alcott]

Can you buy Gravy Train with food stamps?

 

[Revmitchell]

I assume this is not a blanket statement about all people on food stamps. There are people who though illness, handicaps, etc. who will never be able to live independently without support.

Very few

There are people on the program who could, if motivated, work, gain new skills and get off the program. I feel there should be programs to help them do this. This could be done through vocational training and education classes.

Guidelines would have to be developed as well as health screening to determine who is in the help forever group versus who is in the group expected to work their way out of the program.

Why are we still talking about this? As long as these programs have been in effect why has this not yet been done? Proves my point that they want to keep them in bondage.

I am not arguing with my questing, but what scripture are you speaking of?

Psa_128:2; Pro_27:18; Pro_31:27; Ecc_2:24; Ecc_3:13; Psa_104:23; Pro_18:9; Ecc_9:10;

 

[targus]

There are people on the program who could, if motivated, work, gain new skills and get off the program.

Earning a living isn't motivation enough to work?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Would cutting them off motivate them ?

 

[OldRegular]

Earning a living isn't motivation enough to work?

Some people prefer a handout rather than work for a living. These people, along with the Neo-Fascists/Neo-Marxists in the country, comprise the so-called democrat party base!

I believe Scripture says it best:

1 Timothy 5:8. But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

2 Thessalonians 3:10. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

 

[carpro]

Can you buy Gravy Train with food stamps?

Not unless they make a human version.

But you can buy all the steak and lobster and junk food the card will handle. Do people on food stamps ever buy hamburger or store brand products?

 

[Salty]

Would cutting them off motivate them ?

Lets find out-