Old Regular Baptist Website

Hi Daniel:

I'm a native of SE KY, (Bell county) and quite familar with the Hazard area.

I've notice several "old Regular Baptist" churches in that area and their association HQ building on Rt 194 between Jenkins, Ky and Clay city.

I've ask several what their specific doctrine was regarding the rapture, (pre, mid, post) and the "Mill reign", but was never given a clear answer, are you going to post additional "doctrine" that will answer these question later??

I realize your site is "NEW" and it might take time.

 

Daniel, thanks for posting the link to your web site. You all have done a very nice job.

 

Bro. Daniel,

I was just listening to the singing on the website. It is beautiful, but I do have a couple of questions.

Are they all sung so slow? What is the reason for this?

Are they all lined out? What is the reason?

 

Bro. James, I noticed that Daniel hasn't been around in a few days, and think I'll take on an attempt to answer your question. I can only speak as an outsider who has read about the Old Regulars, corresponded with a few elders, and listened to some of their singing. So if an Old Regular Baptist online can add to or correct this, I'll welcome it.

In my experience, all Old Regular Baptist singing is slow and lined out. From musical history it appears that part of the reason for this was that when the singing school movement was becoming popular, they rejected the "regular way" of singing (which is basically our shape note singing with note books) to hold on to the "traditional way" of singing (lined-out hymnody from words-only hymn books).

Here is an article kind of related to the subject:
The Regular Singing Controversy

I think this one contains some info also:
Psalmody & Church Music

I would add that probably most Old Regulars believe that using books with tunes takes away from the spirit and the Spirit in the singing. I think you will find also that Primitive Baptist singing in the same general areas as the Old Regulars generally tends to sound more like the Old Regular singing than Primitive Baptist singing in Texas.

 

Having to know the tunes by memory would hamper the spirit for me. That's too much thinking to do on my part.

Also, I can see their point about singing songs more slowly to feel more in the spirit. I know a number of the churches around here sing the songs faster than I prefer, but singing them too slow, as they have done in this case, imo, is not any different than singing the song too fast.

There has to be a happy medium between Speedy Gonzales and Slow Poke Rodriguez. (What can I say? I'm a Looney Tunes fan. )

 

All Old Regular Baptist are amillennial or more properly stated realized millennialism. They believe the Church has and will go through tribulation(s).They all believe in Last Day theology, the elect will rise first,those that remain will be changed in a moment of twinkling of an eye, the unbelievers will also be raised that same hour,all these events will take place at the last day. No other view is tolerated to be advocated publicly.The General Assn. of Regular Baptist is Premillennial they however have a different history,and practice from those known as Old Regulars.

 

As a clarification: The General Association of Regular Baptist Churches was founded by men coming out of the Northern Baptist Convention in the 1930s. In the North, the term Regular Baptist did have a clear historic meaning (though no the same as it had in the South).

Hamilton Square Baptist Church's founding document of 1881 states "We hold to the doctrines and practices commonly held by Regular Baptists."

What these doctrines and practices were and are can be deduced from reading Hiscox's New Directory of Baptist Churches and Wayland's Notes on the Principles and Practices of Baptist Churches.

 

Bro. Fall, I believe there are some varying uses of "Regular Baptist" north and south. But I think eventually the name traces to a common source of the English and Welsh Particular Baptists who became more commonly known as Regular Baptists in the United States.

 

Daniel, dooes your association correspond with the Paint Union Association in Kentucky

 

I am not a member of the paint union assn but have visited some of the churches . I belong to a church in N GA our assn has about twenty churches we also meet once a month to be able to visit sister churches.

 

I have been reading over the website, and so far I have only found 2 points of doctrinal disagreement between Primitive Baptists and Old Regular Baptists, at least in this association.

One would be the issue of the wine we use in Communion versus the grape juice they use.

The other would be this comment, regarding asking to be baptized, written by the moderator on the site:

"A man or woman desiring to belong to the church will step forward and tell how conviction and repentance led to their being born again."

We would contend that he has it backwards. A man or woman will step forward and tell how their being born again led to their conviction and repentance.

Are there any other major doctrinal differences that I am unaware of, and are these which I have pointed out accurate portrayals of this association and Old Regular Baptists, on average, as a whole or majority?

Bro. James

 

The greatest difference in doctrine is the fact the Primitive believe in absolute predestination and the Old Regular Baptist believe that all have a right to be born again if they will believe that Jesus is the Christ and repent and be baptised. The points you made above I do not believe to be different from the Primitive and Regulars. I think they both believe you must repent and when you receive the Holy Ghost baptisism then you are "born again".
Please my website for song books.
Old Regular Baptist Song Book

 

baptized (sorry about the misspelling)

 

I worked on the link to make it "clickable".

Old Regular Baptist Song Book

Elder Scott, could you tell us a little more about your song book -- how many pages/songs? how much use compared to Thomas and the Sweet Songster? Does it have a lot of the same songs as those? Anything else you might think of. Thanks.

 

Elder Scott, I noticed the Baptist Song Book thread and I moved my question over there.

 

The following is a list of all the song lyrics in the book as of now. I usually add a few each year as new ones come along. The song book of course has many songs like Thomas Hymns and Sweet Songster but does not have a lot of song in those books that I never could sing. It also has many songs we sang around the home place growing up like "I'll fly away" and many others.


ALMOST HOME.................................................................. 6
AM I A LINK IN THAT CHAIN....................................... 33
AMAZING GRACE............................................................. 5
AN ALIEN FROM GOD..................................................... 43
AND MUST THIS BODY DIE?........................................ 39
ANGELS GET MY MANSION READY........................... 32
AS TIME DRAWS NIGH................................................. 122
ATTEND YOUNG FRIENDS........................................... 129
A CHRISTIAN SOLDIER.................................................. 129
A DYING PILGRIM......................................................... 130
A FEW MORE YEARS................................................... 135
A HOME OVER YONDER.............................................. 77
A LONELY GRAVEYARD............................................... 99
A MAN IN OLDEN TIMES.............................................. 40
A MOTHER'S ADVICE................................................... 8
A SONG OF HEAVEN...................................................... 166
A TWELVEMONTH MORE............................................ 143
A PRETTY WREATH FOR MOTHER'S GRAVE........ 168
A VISION OF HEAVEN................................................... 180
A VIRTUOUS WOMAN.................................................... 169
A WEDDING SONG .....................................................149

B

BARABAS.......................................................................... 136


INDEX

BECAUSE HE LOVES ME ............................................ .199
BEULAH LAND................................................................... 6
BLOOD WASHED ARMY ............................................. 186
BOLD SOLDIERS ALL..................................................... 41
BRETHREN WE HAVE MET......................................... 117
BYE AND BYE.................................................................. 127

C

CHILD OF A KING ......................................................149
CLOUDS OPENED UP AND THERE STOOD JESUS... 184
COME AND SEE ME.......................................................... 19
COME SPRING.................................................................. 193

D

DEAR FRIENDS FAREWELL.......................................... 82
DOUBLE RING WEDDING VOWS ............................206

E

EVERY MOMENT BRINGS ME NEARER..................... 42

F
FAMILY REUNION............................................................. 14
FAR AWAY IS A LAND..................................................... 18
FAREWELL MOTHER I AM DYING............................ 133
FAREWELL MY DEAR BRETHREN............................ 195

INDEX

FAREWELL VAIN WORLD............................................ 116

G
GRACE TIS A CHARMING SOUND.............................. 208
GIVE ME THE ROSES WHILE I LIVE........................ 124
GIVE ME JESUS............................................................... 147
GIVE MOTHER MY CROWN........................................ 191
GO REST HIGH ON THE MOUNTAIN.......................... 207
GOD ON THE MOUNTAIN............................................ 139
GOD'S DEAREST LAMB................................................. 79
GONE AWAY WITH A FRIEND...................................... 17
GRAY-HAIRED MOTHER.............................................. 151
GUIDE ME O, JEHOVAH................................................. 43

H

HEM OF HIS GARMENT ............................................... 174
HE IS MY ALL AND ALL................................................. 10
HE DIED AT THE POST................................................. 114
HEAVEN, SWEET HEAVEN.......................................... 148
HOW I CAME TO LOVE................................................ 153
HOW MANY TIMES........................................................ 113
HOW TEDIOUS AND TASTELESS................................ 44

I
I AM BLESSED .............................................................. 200
I AM DWELLING.............................................................. 46
I AM A LITTLE TRAVELER....................................... 64
I AM A LITTLE SCHOLAR............................................ 45

INDEX

I AM ALONE IN THIS WORLD................................... 122
I AM SO GLAD I OBEYED THAT VOICE.................. 154
I CAN SEE MY SAVIOR DYING................................ 119
I CAN ALMOST SEE HEAVEN.................................... 98
I AM A WINNER EITHER WAY ....................................201
IF WE WOULD LIVE AN HUMBLE LIFE.................... 192
I'M GOING TO DIE ON THE BATTLE.......................... 84
I'M NOT ASHAMED TWN MY LORD..................... 64
I'M HOMESICK FOR HEAVEN..................................... 97
I HAVE NO MOTHER NOW......................................... 134
I'LL NEVER WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY .......... 52
I'LL FLY AWAY............................................................... 92
IF I COULD HEAR MY MOTHER PRAY AGAIN........ 26
IF I COULD BE LIVING WHEN JESUS COMES......... 123
IN THAT BEAUTIFUL AND BLEST................................ 48
IN ALL MY LORD'S APPOINTED WAYS.................... 131
IN THE GOOD OLD FASHION WAY.............................. 73
IN MEMORY OF MOTHER............................................ 161
IT WILL OPEN WIDE...................................................... 79
I'LL RIDE THE CLOUDS .............................................90
I LOVE MY SAVIOR GOD........................................... 34
I OVERTOOK A PILGRIM ........................................126
I WASN'T THERE............................................................ 146
I WONDER IF MY CHILDREN....................................,... 4


INDEX

J

JACOB'S VISION.............................................................. 93
JERUSALEM MY HAPPY HOME.................................. 49
JESUS LEFT HIS HOME IN GLORY.............................. 50
JUST ONE ROSE ................................................................. 3
JUST A WHEEL IN A WHEEL...................................... 156

L

LAYING UP TREASURES.............................................. 164
LETTERS FROM MY FATHER....................................... 69
LITTLE BESSIE................................................................ 31
LONELY MAN.................................................................. 144
LORD, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU...................... 167
LORD, I WANT TO BE WHAT YOU ............................ 16
LORD, YOU'RE THE BEST THING.............................. 101
LOVING MEMORIES ................................................204

M

MY FATHER'S HOUSE ............................................... 206
MAMA'S NEW SHOES.................................................. 100
MOMMY NEEDS NO MARKER.................................... 190
MOTHER NO LONGER AWAITS ME AT HOME....... 125
MUST JESUS BEAR THE CROSS ALONE.................... 51
MY HEART IS FILLED WITH SORROW...................... 162
MY HEAVENLY HOME.................................................. 7


INDEX

MY LATEST SUN IS SINKING FAST............................ 80

N

NEVER GROW OLD........................................................... 5
NO GRAVES ON THAT BRIGHT SHORE..................... 15
NO TEARS IN HEAVEN.................................................. 92
NOT AFRAID.................................................................... 188

O

OH, LOOK WHAT I TRADED......................................... 91
OH, HOW PRECIOUS...................................................... 27
OH, THAT I HAD.............................................................. 53
OH YE YOUNG................................................................... 3
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JORDAN................................ 13
ONE NIGHT AS I LAY.................................................... 109

P

PILGRIM HOME.............................................................. 88
POOR AND AFFLICTED................................................. 55
POOR PILGRIM OF SORROW........................................ 54
POOR WAYFARING STRANGER................................ 185
PRECIOUS MEMORIES................................................... 21
PROMISES....................................................................... 138
PURPLE ROBE.................................................................. 20
PUT MY LITTLE SHOES AWAY ..............................179


INDEX

R

RIDE OUT THE STORM................................................ 106
ROCK OF AGES ........................................................... 140

S

SAFE AT HOME................................................................ 182
SALVATION O, THE NAME I LOVE.............................. 33
SAVIORS PRECIOUS BLOOD...................................... 175
SEE THE CHRISTIANS.................................................... 56
SHAKE MY MOTHER'S HAND FOR ME..................... 85
SHOULD YOU GO FIRST............................................... 176
SINCE THE ANGELS TOOK MY MOTHER HOME.. 198
SIX HOURS ON THE CROSS......................................... 103
SOME BRIGHT MORNING............................................. 12
SOMETIMES....................................................................... 171
SOMETIMES I SING........................................................ 159
SORRY, I NEVER KNEW YOU....................................... 37
SOMEWHERE SOMEONE*.............................................. 170
SWEET MOTHER IS GONE.......................................... 121
SWEET GLORIES............................................................ 108
SWEET HEAVEN WAS THERE....................................... 81


INDEX

T

TAKE MY HAND PRECIOUS LORD.......................... 196
TARRY WITH ME............................................................ 25
TEMPTED AND TRIED................................................... 70
THANK YOU MAMA FOR PRAYING FOR ME ......149
THE BATTLE IS RAGING........................................... 160
THE CHURCH................................................................. 152
THE CITY BEYOND DEATH'S SEA............................. 9
THE CITY THAT LIES FOUR SQUARE.................... 104
THE DARKEST NIGHT.................................................... 194
THE DAY IS PAST AND GONE.................................... 25
THE DOOR OF MERCY................................................ 157
THE GOSPEL SHIP.......................................................... 74
THANK YOU LORD.......................................................... 22
THAT AWFUL DEADLINE........................................... 155
THE GATES OF PEARL ............................................... 197
THE GREAT HIGH MOUNTAIN.................................. 11
THE LETTER................................................................... 189
THE LORD WILL MAKE A WAY.............................. 107
THE MODEL CHURCH.................................................. 67
THE OLD SHIP OF ZION................................................ 20
THERE IS A FOUNTAIN................................................ 57
THE SAVIOR'S CALL ................................................202
THE THIRD MAN........................................................... 71
THIS WORLD IS NOT MY HOME................................. 76
TIME HAS MADE A CHANGE IN ME......................... 86
TROUBLESOME WATERS......................................... 173
TRAVELING THROUGH THIS LAND........................... 187

INDEX

TWO COATS..................................................................... 58
THE VILLAGE CHURCHYARD.................................. 60
TREASURE THAT MONEY CAN'T BUY ..................150

U
UNCLOUDED DAY .......................................................178
W

WALK WITH ME LORD................................................. 96
WATCH AND PRAY........................................................ 183
WE HAVE A RACE TO RUN ......................................89
WE SHALL SLEEP........................................................... 61
WEDDING SONG .........................................................205
WE'LL BE SINGING GLORY GLORY*.......................... 171
WHAT WILL I LEAVE BEHIND ...............................203
WHAT A FRIEND WE HAVE IN JESUS........................ 95
WHEN MARY HAD COME.............................................. 66
WHEN OUR FEET TOUCH STREETS OF GOLD....... 87
WHEN I CAN READ MY TITLES CLEAR..................... 33
WHEN HE REACHED DOWN HIS HAND.................. 165
WHEN I SHALL CROSS OVER....................................... 62
WHEN I GET HOME........................................................ 63
WHEN SHALL I SEE .................................................... 142
WHY DO WE MOURN...................................................... 72
WILL MY MOTHER KNOW ME THERE..................... 24
WILL THEY MISS ME...................................................... 36
WILL THEY EVER RETURN........................................ 112
WILL THE CIRCLE BE UNBROKEN.......................... 120

INDEX

Y

YOUNG PEOPLE ALL.................................................... 132
YOU DON'T LOSE WHEN YOU DIE IN THE LORD.. 141


NARROWS BRANCH OLD REGULAR BAPTIST CHURCH
Meeting time the 4th Saturday and Sunday of each month
Hardy, Kentucky 41531