Featured Omniscience

Thats the problem when you shoe horn an idea first "elect on to salvation" and then scrape to find it in scripture.

Elect is not a magical holy word. One can be elect take out the trash, Jesus even elected a devil.


In Ephesians ,right away, your told elect to "that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"


Here's the whole verse : 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

"this before the “foundation of the world” The most over looked portion in there is "IN HIM"

"receive the Lord Jesus; and this before the “foundation of the world” (Eph 1:4), even from the eternal past."

So you received Jesus from eternal past? Saved, Fell, Save? or never needed rescue.



Ephesians 2

12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


See it gets pointed out YOU WERE NOT IN CHRIST JESUS. And if we go back to ephesians 1

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


So since you were not in Christ ALL THIS APPLIES--> "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"

"God chooses whom He will and will not save is absent of Scriptural support!"
I'm going to a assume its a typo or I'm reading this wrong. Just in case there is one verse here.

Romans 9

. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

 

You completely misunderstand the terms and issues.
God is not just a spectator as you suggest, but is the author and finisher of faith.They are saved because He elected them and set His love on them before time.

 

It IS all answered by understanding God's Omniscience.

If you are Calvinist this week, your are wrong this week.

 

Paul would not be saying anything new Jews the have not heard before. Paul cannot spout Christian doctrine by himself.
Lets go to the original understanding of vessels of clay.

Jeremiah 18

4 And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter's hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do.

5 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 6 “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the Lord. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.



Your answer is right there ----->" turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it"

No one is locked.

The idea God will RELENT of disaster that he INTENDED for Calvinist has got to be BEYOND COOKOO.

 

NC,
It is not so much as "imply" anything as it is setting forth the truth that we can trust a perfectly Holy, PerfectlyWise God to not only have a perfect plan, but to perfectly carry out that plan.

He is going to save the perfect amount of persons, not one more, not one less. His perfection will never be diminished, nor His wisdom challenged.
The bible indicates that the saving Love of God is only found....IN CHRIST.

To be outside of Christ is to be apart from His saving love.

isa46:
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:

13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

 

This is completely un biblical thought. I gave you the benefit of the doubt but it's clear man centered theology is not the theology found in the Bible.

 

"NetChaplain,

\4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

People do not seek God unless drawn by the Father. No one would be saved if it was like you say.

 

Thanks for your response. I believe you are sincere and trying to help sincerely. The problem is you Quote Acts chapter 7 verse 51 which is the default condition of all unsaved men .
they always resist the grace of God and will do so until they perish in hell. What makes Saving Grace effectual is that the Spirit of God overcomes the rebellion in the sinful man and works gives him a new heart that he can begin to desire God and his word. You are looking at it from a natural, emotional viewpoint. The biblical text declares otherwise.God will save an exact multitude that no man can number.
Scripture describes this as so Great Salvation.
God could not save one more or one less that His perfect will has decreed.
He does not tell us who is elect so no need to speculate on that.
We just declare the truth that God saves sinners in Christ.

 

God says he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. That leaves room for showing mercy to zero, showing mercy to some, and showing mercy to ALL.

God tells a person for their wickedness they would be damned to their face, DONE DEAL. They change their ways.... He says they will surely live.


I think its a dumb mistake to take a sinful man's personality and apply it to God as to what will happen.

And people who hear the Command of God and question his want and desire from the command, are the last people who need to tell us what God means in any situation.

If I ask YOU, Does GOD want anyone in the world to sin?

He made a command for ALL the answer is NO.

So OBVIOUSLY God wants ALL SAVED.

When God commands I believe he is being SINCERE, Some people would have me believe God is being deceptive liar. That he only "tells" people not to sin, but actually wants them to sin.

The evil teaching that is taught often is GOD WANTS them to SIN. Its sin for his glory, and your licensed to do it.

 

God commands that you not sin, because he doesn't want you to sin, does that make sense?'

Apply that to everyone. He wants all saved.

 

This is interesting and confusing as I read the comments in the thread. Hope this will be clarified. I don't know if John 3:16 is related to this but it goes like this "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son that whoever believe in Him shall not perish but have an everlasting life."