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Oneway Bipartisanship

LeBuick

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62% of American's feel Obama is doing enough to reach out to the other side of the isle while only 27% feel the GOP is doing likewise. Seeing that Obama won with only 52.87% of the popular vote, this means he has gained about 10% traction from those who didn't give him their vote...

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2009/02/reach_out_ill_b.php

Bipartisanship isn't dead -- it's just single-sided, according to a new poll from the Associated Press-GfK. The AP survey reports 62% of U.S. adults believe Pres. Obama is cooperating "about the right amount" with GOPers in Congress, while 27% think the same about the GOP's work with Obama.

Conversely, 64% of adults believe Congressional GOPers are not cooperating enough with the POTUS, and only 30% believe Obama is not collaborating enough with GOPers. Another 6% and 5% believe the POTUS and GOPers, respectively, are working together too much.

These figures mirror the approval ratings for each group on the economy. Approximately two-thirds of adults, 68%, approve of Obama's handling of the economy, and 27% disapprove. Only a third, however, approve of how GOPers in Congress are handling the economy, while 59% disapprove. The economic numbers for Congressional Dems are split nearly evenly -- 49% of adults approve, and 45% disapprove.

Overall, 67%, approve of Obama's handling of his job, including 37% who "strongly approve." Congress, meanwhile, has a job approval of 31%.

The Associated Press poll was conducted 2/12-17 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media, surveyed 1,001 nat'l adults and has margin of error +/- 3.1%.
 

OldRegular

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Bipartisan is when Republicans cave and vote like democrats.

Partisan is when Republicans stick to principle and don't cave to democrats.
 

LeBuick

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OldRegular said:
Bipartisan is when Republicans cave and vote like democrats.

Partisan is when Republicans stick to principle and don't cave to democrats.

Bipartisan is when Republican's meet the Dems halfway. Dems wanted spending and the GOP wanted tax cuts so tax cuts were in the bill.

However, the GOP definition of bipartisanship is you do it my way or I won't give you my vote.
 

OldRegular

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LeBuick said:
Bipartisan is when Republican's meet the Dems halfway. Dems wanted spending and the GOP wanted tax cuts so tax cuts were in the bill.

However, the GOP definition of bipartisanship is you do it my way or I won't give you my vote.

The only example of bipartisanship by democrats in recent years was their vote for the war in Iraq, which they shortly repudiated.

I don't care if democrats are partisan or not. I am partisan. It is just the fact that they continually lie about it and the leftist media goes along with it.

As far as tax cuts in the bill, 13 dollars a week is going to save the economy. Democrats are a bunch of charlatans who are able to fool an uneducated and uninvolved electorate.
 

LeBuick

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OldRegular said:
As far as tax cuts in the bill, 13 dollars a week is going to save the economy. Democrats are a bunch of charlatans who are able to fool an uneducated and uninvolved electorate.

Let's say there are 100 Million tax paying working American's. $13 a week would equal $1.3 Billion a week in potential new spending. I don't know about your thinking, but I call that stimulating the economy.
 

Revmitchell

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LeBuick said:
this means he has gained about 10% traction from those who didn't give him their vote...


No it doesn't. Here is clear evidence of your twisting of poll facts.

One month into Obama's term 60 percent of Americans approve of the job he is doing as president, down from 65 percent three weeks ago (27-28 January 2009). Similarly, the portion of people that disapproves has increased to 26 percent, up from 16 percent. Almost all of the change can be attributed to a decrease in approval and an increase in disapproval among Republicans. In fact, among Obama's party faithful, his job approval has gone up from 85 percent in late January to 90 percent today.

Views of Obama as a person have also dipped. Today 68 percent have a favorable opinion of him and 25 percent unfavorable. Last month Obama had his highest favorable rating to date when 76 percent of Americans said they had a positive opinion and 15 percent unfavorable (13-14 Jan 2009). His average favorable rating for the last six months is 59 percent, with the lowest being 56 percent in October 2008.

Here again, most of the change in Obama's favorable rating comes from Republicans and a smaller change among independents.

The number of voters confident the Obama administration will be able to make "significant positive change for the country" has dropped 11 percentage points from 75 percent in mid-January. Still, 64 percent are very or somewhat confident in Obama's ability to bring positive change. The entire decline comes from drops in confidence among Republicans and independents.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,496545,00.html
 

Magnetic Poles

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Funny how during the last administration, there was no attempt at bipartisanship, and if anyone did disagree, they were disloyal obstructionists. Now bipartisanship means that even though your side lost, you want to make the rules. Sorry. Doesn't work like that.
 

Alcott

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Bipartisanship -- Purchasing a portion of one's male offspring's seagoing vessel.
 

Pastor Larry

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Funny how during the last administration, there was no attempt at bipartisanship, and if anyone did disagree, they were disloyal obstructionists. Now bipartisanship means that even though your side lost, you want to make the rules. Sorry. Doesn't work like that.
My oh my ... How short your memory is. Did you forget No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act, and other bills like it? There was plenty of bipartisanship in the last adminstration. It just doesn't fit your argument so you ignore it.
 

OldRegular

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LeBuick said:
Let's say there are 100 Million tax paying working American's. $13 a week would equal $1.3 Billion a week in potential new spending. I don't know about your thinking, but I call that stimulating the economy.

The right hand giveth and the left hand taketh away. Unfortunately the left hand taketh more than the right giveth.
 

OldRegular

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Magnetic Poles said:
Funny how during the last administration, there was no attempt at bipartisanship, and if anyone did disagree, they were disloyal obstructionists. Now bipartisanship means that even though your side lost, you want to make the rules. Sorry. Doesn't work like that.

All the above is totally false. President Bush went to DC thinking he could work with democrats as he did in Texas. With few exceptions he soon found out that was not correct. The DC democrats are a totally different crowd. They have the mistaken opinion that they have been chosen to lead this country. Unfortunately it appears that they are determined to lead us to destruction.
 

JustChristian

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OldRegular said:
The only example of bipartisanship by democrats in recent years was their vote for the war in Iraq, which they shortly repudiated.

I don't care if democrats are partisan or not. I am partisan. It is just the fact that they continually lie about it and the leftist media goes along with it.

As far as tax cuts in the bill, 13 dollars a week is going to save the economy. Democrats are a bunch of charlatans who are able to fool an uneducated and uninvolved electorate.
No, you're confused. The charlatan was George Bush.
 

OldRegular

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Originally Posted by OldRegular
The only example of bipartisanship by democrats in recent years was their vote for the war in Iraq, which they shortly repudiated.

I don't care if democrats are partisan or not. I am partisan. It is just the fact that they continually lie about it and the leftist media goes along with it.

As far as tax cuts in the bill, 13 dollars a week is going to save the economy. Democrats are a bunch of charlatans who are able to fool an uneducated and uninvolved electorate.

Response by JC
No, you're confused. The charlatan was George Bush.

JC
Every time you enter a post you prove my point!
 

J.D.

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LeBuick said:
Bipartisan is when Republican's meet the Dems halfway. Dems wanted spending and the GOP wanted tax cuts so tax cuts were in the bill.

However, the GOP definition of bipartisanship is you do it my way or I won't give you my vote.
To illustrate how real bipartisanship would work, here is two scenarios:

Scenario #1:

1) You need money

2) I have money

Solution: I give you half my money. This is NOT bipartisanship. It is mutual destruction because we both lost something. You lost your self respect by getting money you didn't earn. I lost half my money. It's a lose-lose.

Scenario #2:

1) You need money

2) I have money

Solution: I hire you to cut my grass. This IS bipartisanship because we both get something we need. You got some money and I got my grass cut.

And here a scenario that explains why conservatives should never compromise:

1) You want change

2) I don't want change

Compromise: I meet you "half way". You win, I lose. Repeat the same process in the next congress. And the next. And the next. You get it by now.

And the question for the liberals becomes, "how many times do I have to compromise before you will like me?"

This was Bush's mistake - he thought if he gave them a half or better of what they want that they would like him. BIG MISTAKE.
 

LeBuick

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J.D. said:
And here a scenario that explains why conservatives should never compromise:

1) You want change

2) I don't want change.

Bingo, it is clear the do nothing party doesn't want change but won't accept the title obstructionist for standing in the way of those who do want change.

GOP = No change = I agree 100%...

Then they criticize Obama for not being able to change their position... One of those things that makes you go HHhhmm??
 

Magnetic Poles

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OldRegular said:
All the above is totally false. President Bush went to DC thinking he could work with democrats as he did in Texas. With few exceptions he soon found out that was not correct. The DC democrats are a totally different crowd. They have the mistaken opinion that they have been chosen to lead this country. Unfortunately it appears that they are determined to lead us to destruction.
Oh, thee of selective memory. Bush went in to run the show his way. How many Dems did he put on the cabinet? Turns out Bush wasn't "The Decider" after all. We the People are the deciders, and we finally decided we had had enough of his mismanagement and lies.
 

Pastor Larry

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Let's say there are 100 Million tax paying working American's. $13 a week would equal $1.3 Billion a week in potential new spending. I don't know about your thinking, but I call that stimulating the economy.
Can you imagine if it were $50 a week? That would be actual stimulus. But that $50 a week is going to "make work" jobs that won't help the economy.
 
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