Only The Saints Were Raised...

I wonder why you don't call it the First resurrection with Jesus being the firstfruits of them that slept that arose. If that was not a resurrection, I wonder what one is?

 

They went into that Holy City and many were seen by many. Why on earth, would you say they had to die again and return to the tomb. What did they do, that they had to suffer 2 natural deaths? I say they went to Heaven. What did Jesus mean, when He said touch me not for I have not yet accended to the Father.

 

You will agree that Jesus is the firstfruits, will you not?

I will ask again, what did Jesus mean, when He said "touch me not, for I have not yet accended to the Father"?

 

I think it was 8 days from the time the sisters were not allowed to touch Jesus, then after those 8 days, they were allowed. Something took place in those 8 days. I have my thoughts, but the scripture is silent on it.

 

The NASB says it this way:
Jhn 20:17 Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.' "

According to my Lexicon, the word touch in this verse means to touch in a manner of manipulating, not just to touch the surface of something.

It seems Mary was clinging to Jesus because she didn't want to leave Him, or didn't want Him to leave her.

 

I don't know if you believe me or not, but that is what I believe but did not know others believed it. I also believe during that time He took the resurrected saints to Heaven.

 

I must have written this in 1991??

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\o/ Glory to the Lord \o/

\o/ Praise be to Jesus \o/

Five Resurrections
Found in the Holy Bible
Compared and Contrasted

The Lord God is a resurrecting God.

Definitions:

New Testament: God's contract on goy
Old Testament: God's contract on Yisrael
Resurrection: a person who was dead is alive
Saint: a person on God's list (AKA: Book of Life)
Tribulation: AKA: The Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jeremiah 30:4-7);
--Yisrael passing under the rod (Ezekiel 20:34-3;
--Melting Pot (Ezekiel 22:19-22);
--Time of Trouble (Daniel 12:1); etc.
Resurrection: a person who was dead is alive
goy - Yisraeli term for gentiles (probably slightly derogotory)
Yisrael - Transliteration of the Hebrew term for "Israel" into English.

How to get on God's list:

Romans 10:9 (KJV): That if thou
shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from
the dead, thou shalt be saved.


1. Resurrection of Jesus
WHO: Jesus
WHEN: 33AD
WHERE: Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal; because of the
resurrection of Jesus, all the other resurrections
are possible
References: Matthew 28:6, Mark 16:6, Luke 24:6-8


2. Resurrection of some Old Testament Saints
WHO: Some of those who died before Jesus believeing God, especially
those who believed in God's Messiah
WHEN: 33AD
WHERE: mostly in Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal

3. Resurrection of the New Testament Saints
WHO: Church age (AKA: times of the Gentiles) Saints; balance
of the Old Testament Saints
WHEN: Some date after 3 Sept 2005;
at the end of the Church Age; at the beginning of
the Tribulation
WHERE: Worldwide
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal;
this resurrection is followed in but a
moment by the translation of the living
saints into a glorified heavenly body like
that of Jesus
References: 1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

4. Resurrection of the Tribulation Saints
WHO: Those beheaded for faith in Jesus; those
who reject the Mark of the Beast
WHEN: at the end of the Tribulation; at the
beginning of the 1,000-year reign of Jesus
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal
References: Revelation 20:4-6,

5. Resurrection of the non-Saints
WHO: All those throughout time who have rejected Jesus
WHEN: At the close of the 1,000-year reign of Jesus;
at the beginning of eternity
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: i don't know, God does
HOW: i don't know, God does
WHAT: Raised to eternal shame & damnation
References: Revelation 20:12-15

NOTE: The delineation of the five revealed
resurrections above
does not preclude other resurrections. The Lord God
is a resurrecting God and His hand is not shortened
by his revelation to us or
by our understaning of His revelation to us.
For example: Two Witnesses shall
be resurrected in the middle of the Tribulation.

There is a pastoral picture of the four resurrections
for which the resurrection of Jesus was a precusor
(numbered here as above):

2. The First Fruits (Matthew 27:22-53)

3. The Harvest (1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

4. The Gleanings (Revelation 7:14, 20:4)

5. The Tares (Matthew 13:28-30)

Sometimes the Holy Bible calls resurrections 2-4, the resurrections
of the just: The First Resurrection (because all the
resurrections of the just preceede the resurrection
of the unjust).

The following scriptures seem to imply a simultaneous
resurrection of the just and the wicked dead:
Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29 (all resurrected
in the same hour), Acts 24:15. Revelation 20:4-6
cleary notes that the just are raised one day
(a 1,000 year long day) before the unjust.

CAUTION: The numbering scheme 1 to 5 above was arbitrarliy
assigned to enable the discussion. There is nothing
sacred or Biblical about this numbering scheme.

May Jesus our Savior and our Master be Praised!

Note that ressurrections #3 and #4 are accompanied
by a rapture of living saints.

--compilation by ed, incurable Jesus Phreaque

 

Seems to fall in line with what I believe TC;

 

Ed; it is something I could live with and not far from what I believe.

BBob,

 

For some reason I agree with you there, Bro. Bob.

As for "touch me not" I sometimes think that between that incident and the next when He told Thomas to touch His side, the Lord did go back and forth to heaven. Yeah, I think that for the forty days the Lord was on earth, prior to that resurrection when they beheld His actual going up to heaven, He was going back and forth to heaven.

No Scriptural proof as in black and white printed text and I'm not teaching that is doctrine, but that sure is a possibility.

 

I know that there are other ways to understand this passage, but here it is... Eph 4:8 – "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."

I see in this passage the possibility of OT saints held captive in paradise and the resurrected saints at the time of Jesus’ resurrection being carried to Glory at the same time as His ascension. I am not dogmatic, but I personally feel that this passage speaks to that.

Lazarus was carried to Abraham’s bosom; Jesus told the thief, "Today thou shalt be with me in paradise"; but in this age, with Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father, Paul says, "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

Why did the OT saints have to wait in Paradise? The blood of bulls and goats could only provide a temporary covering for sins. Only the blood of Jesus could take them away once and for all!

 

Hi Ed! Glad to see you are still around!

Think you are wrong on the "one day before" thing...

Rev 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

A normal reading of the passage places their resurrection 1,000 years earlier than the resurrection of the wicked dead...