Osas?

[Moriah]

1 John 1:8
New International Version (©1984)

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

WM

I have already answered this when brought up by DHK. John is speaking about being saved and confessing that we are sinners.

Furthermore, no one said what you are claiming. As for the lusts of the flesh, to me, those are of one type of sins, there are other types of sin. There is sinning with your thoughts, and there is sinning with your tongue, for examples.

 

[DHK]

Paul says that Jesus saved him, so do you think that Paul still feels like a wretched man, or a highly blessed man?

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
--This is Paul's testimony. He was a saved man as he wrote this testimony. I would rather believe Paul, than you. He said he was "a wretched man." He knew there was a way of deliverance. He gives that way in the next verse. However he admits that his old nature was there. He was honest with himself.

 

[Moriah]

If we are christians, we'll do the works that shows we are christians. These works don't keep us saved, but shows that we are saved.

I do not consider it a work to repent of sins, or to forgive others. I do not even call helping my brother in need a work.

If you abstaining from sin is a work, then please know that there are people on this board who say they sin daily, that they often lose the battle to sin. What would you like to say to them about that?

 

[Moriah]

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
--This is Paul's testimony. He was a saved man as he wrote this testimony. I would rather believe Paul, than you. He said he was "a wretched man." He knew there was a way of deliverance. He gives that way in the next verse. However he admits that his old nature was there. He was honest with himself.

So what that you say you would rather believe Paul than me. You do not understand what Paul is saying.

Paul says he beats his body to make it his slave, so that he will not be disqualified.

Now stop helping this thread get derailed.

 

[DHK]

You cannot understand how I could not have any more lusts of my flesh that means you still have a problem. Maybe one day soon I will make a post on stop sinning. Maybe it would help someone.

You do that.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[DHK]

So what that you say you would rather believe Paul than me. You do not understand what Paul is saying.

Paul says he beats his body to make it his slave, so that he will not be disqualified.

You mean "self-flagellation" like the Muslims do?
No, Paul did not do that.

But he did admit that he had a sin nature. It was sin that dwelt in him. He called himself a wretched man. He did so because he gave into his sin nature at times. As he himself testifies:

Romans 7:15-17 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

[Moriah]

You mean "self-flagellation" like the Muslims do?
No, Paul did not do that.

No, not like the Muslims, like what the scriptures say in the Holy Bible.

1 Corinthians 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

 

[WestminsterMan]

No, not like the Muslims, like what the scriptures say in the Holy Bible.

1 Corinthians 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Well then... you'd better get out the hair shirt and waist sinch. But wait... that's what many Catholic saints have done in the past. Hmmm... Sounds as though you share some doctrine with those "bad" Catholics after all.

WM

 

[annsni]

Furthermore, no one said what you are claiming. As for the lusts of the flesh, to me, those are of one type of sins, there are other types of sin. There is sinning with your thoughts, and there is sinning with your tongue, for examples.

Yet Jesus said that there is no difference.

 

[Moriah]

Well then... you'd better get out the hair shirt and waist sinch. But wait... that's what many Catholic saints have done in the past. Hmmm... Sounds as though you share some doctrine with those "bad" Catholics after all.

WM

Not as the Catholic priests did. What Paul speaks of has nothing to do with the practices of the Catholic priests and the deviation from the truth. Catholic priests Mortification of the flesh (Transliteration: "Putting the flesh to death") is the institutional expiatory act of a person or group's penance for atonement of sins and path to sanctity. The term is primarily used in religious and spiritual contexts. The practice is often found in many cultures, most notably the Roman Catholic Church and their penitential saints. Common forms of mortification includes flagellation, in imitation of Jesus Christ's suffering and death on the crucifixion. Other forms are fasting, carrying heavy loads and immersion in water which are found in some Asian cultures. See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh


St. Teresa of Ávila, a Doctor of the Church, undertook severe mortification once it was suggested by friends that her supernatural ecstasies were of diabolical origin. She continued until Francis Borgia reassured her. She believed she was goaded by angels and had a passion to conform her life to the sufferings of Jesus, with a motto associated with her: "Lord, either let me suffer or let me die."
See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_in_Roman_Catholic_teaching

 

[mandym]

So what that you say you would rather believe Paul than me. You do not understand what Paul is saying.

Paul says he beats his body to make it his slave, so that he will not be disqualified.

Now stop helping this thread get derailed.

Oh my word! Someone want to check this guys temperature!:BangHead:

 

[DHK]

I have already answered this when brought up by DHK. John is speaking about being saved and confessing that we are sinners.

If John is speaking about being saved, one must conclude that John is unsaved for he uses the first person plural, "we" indicating that he himself is included in this group. You regard John the Apostle as unsaved?

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Moriah]

If John is speaking about being saved, one must conclude that John is unsaved for he uses the first person plural, "we" indicating that he himself is included in this group. You regard John the Apostle as unsaved?

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Those are the scriptures just before 1 John 1:8.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

That is the scripture just before 1 John 1:10.

I am not impressed at all about your English sentence and word conclusion, or do I care about your sarcasm.

I got you perturbed because I said I do not sin with lusts of the flesh. I do not sin anymore with the lusts of my flesh, no matter how many times you falsely claim that I do. There are other kinds of sins, but I was only answering about the sins you falsely accused me off. You admit to sinning daily with the lusts of your flesh and enjoying it, and now you want to harass me because you have been convinced that it is biblical to have a problem with the lust of your flesh and to keep the problem as a lifelong problem.

 

[Moriah]

Oh my word! Someone want to check this guys temperature!:BangHead:

After reading your signature, and reading the posts that you make to me, you seem to be an attitudinizer character.

 

[DHK]

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Those are the scriptures just before 1 John 1:8.

And John includes himself right from verse one all the way to the end of verse 10. You conclude that he is an unbeliever. Your accusation is horrendous and false to conclude that the Apostle John is not saved. The very one who said WE have heard from him and declare unto you, said also,
If we say that we have sinned we lie...

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

That is the scripture just before 1 John 1:10.

Both verses go together.
The one that says "WE confess our sins," also says "If WE sin". John includes himself in both verses.

I am not impressed at all about your English sentence and word conclusion, or do I care about your sarcasm.

You need to care about what the Bible says. You have dubbed John as unsaved with your type of exegesis.

I got you perturbed because I said I do not sin with lusts of the flesh. I do not sin anymore with the lusts of my flesh, no matter how many times you falsely claim that I do.

I only say that, because the Scripture says that. Every man does. This is your claim to sinlessness.

There are other kinds of sins, but I was only answering about the sins you falsely accused me off. You admit to sinning daily with the lusts of your flesh and enjoying it,

Quote me.
I never testified that I enjoyed it.

and now you want to harass me because you have been convinced that it is biblical to have a problem with the lust of your flesh and to keep the problem as a lifelong problem.

It is a lifelong problem.
Do you call Paul a liar who testified that it was; that it was a struggle for him all of his life. He was in a war, a battle. He had to take on the armor of God daily.

 

[Moriah]

And John includes himself right from verse one all the way to the end of verse 10. You conclude that he is an unbeliever. Your accusation is horrendous and false to conclude that the Apostle John is not saved. The very one who said WE have heard from him and declare unto you, said also,
If we say that we have sinned we lie...

Both verses go together.
The one that says "WE confess our sins," also says "If WE sin". John includes himself in both verses.

You need to care about what the Bible says. You have dubbed John as unsaved with your type of exegesis.

I only say that, because the Scripture says that. Every man does. This is your claim to sinlessness.

Quote me.
I never testified that I enjoyed it.

It is a lifelong problem.
Do you call Paul a liar who testified that it was; that it was a struggle for him all of his life. He was in a war, a battle. He had to take on the armor of God daily.

You have a lot of false accusations and brute comments. You do not have understanding, and you twist the truth.

Now stop with your natural harassing ways.

 

[DHK]

You have a lot of false accusations and brute comments. You do not have understanding, and you twist the truth.

Now stop with your natural harassing ways.

I answer you with Scripture, and this is all that you can do.

 

[The Biblicist]

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Those are the scriptures just before 1 John 1:8.




If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

That is the scripture just before 1 John 1:10.

I am not impressed at all about your English sentence and word conclusion, or do I care about your sarcasm.

I got you perturbed because I said I do not sin with lusts of the flesh. I do not sin anymore with the lusts of my flesh, no matter how many times you falsely claim that I do. There are other kinds of sins, but I was only answering about the sins you falsely accused me off. You admit to sinning daily with the lusts of your flesh and enjoying it, and now you want to harass me because you have been convinced that it is biblical to have a problem with the lust of your flesh and to keep the problem as a lifelong problem.

Where within your human nature does sin arise? Does it arise from the "new creature" within you?

The word "lust" simply means "desire" or "craving"! Your physical nature has natural cravings (food, sex, comfort, etc.). Are you saying you never OVEReat? or never LOOK upon a woman but with PURE desire? Are you saying you are never ANGRY WITHOUT A JUST CAUSE? Are you saying you are never PROUDFUL and never COVET what you don't have?

If so, do you beleive these "lusts" originate with your NEW MAN? or The indwelling Spirit of God? Where do they originate within you?

 

[Moriah]

Despite the message from OSAS people here, we cannot do anything we want and not expect to have an insecure salvation.

You have DHK who says Christians constantly give in to the lusts of the flesh and enjoy it, but then you have him and others claim that we also do good things through the Holy Spirit, and both things are just part of life and natural when one has flesh and the Spirit. DHK does not elaborate on the person who walks more in the flesh than in the Spirit, but according to his teachings and others who believe in OSAS...it is okay and natural.

 

[The Biblicist]

You have a lot of false accusations and brute comments. You do not have understanding, and you twist the truth.

Now stop with your natural harassing ways.

It appears that if anyone does not agree with you and provdes Biblical evidence that your theories are wrong that they are liars, evil, harrassing ways, ignorant and the list goes on.

Could it be that it is really you instead of others that may have problems?

For example you NEVER demonstrate with scripture such are "false accusations" but merely give your personal opinion that they are "false accusations."

Do you actually believe you written words are as inspired by God as much as the written words by the prophets????? You have never answered this question in words but you seem to answer it by your reactions to anyone who dares to question your ideas!

Would you do me the kindness of simply answering this question?

Do you believe your written words are as inspired by God as the words Prophets wrote down under inspiration by God?

A simple yes or no will do!