Our Religious Freedom at Work

[Wesley Briggman]

Religious freedom and Christianity are arch enemies. No where does the Bible endorse religious freedom. In fact, all other religions except worship of the True, Living God of Heaven are condemned.

Here is one blatant example why our religious freedom is a work of satan.

Alaska government meeting opens with ‘Hail Satan’ prayer

With the influx of muslims, satanist, etc. in our government institutions we should expect to see a rapid decline in the religious stability we have had in our history.

My motto:
Neither condemn what God condones nor condone what God condemns

 

[Van]

Is the solution to establish a government sanctioned religion, such as Saudi Arabia? What does that do if the Calvinists come to power, make Baptists criminals? The Baptist solution is to maintain a separation between those that govern and those who present doctrine. Someone said the world has little to fear of what men do in the name of Evil, but God help us from what men do in the name of Good.

 

[rsr]

You realize, of course, that some Baptists are Calvinists. And that Baptists were the most outspoken proponents of religious liberty in the early republic — and those proponents were predominantly Calvinists.

 

[Aaron]

Religious freedom and Christianity are arch enemies. No where does the Bible endorse religious freedom. In fact, all other religions except worship of the True, Living God of Heaven are condemned.

Here is one blatant example why our religious freedom is a work of satan.

Alaska government meeting opens with ‘Hail Satan’ prayer

With the influx of muslims, satanist, etc. in our government institutions we should expect to see a rapid decline in the religious stability we have had in our history.

My motto:
Neither condemn what God condones nor condone what God condemns

I agree to a point. But understanding what is meant by religion is key. Today, religion is thought to mean belief in a deity, and separation of church and state (yes I know it's not in the Constitution, but it was penned as a commentary on the First Amendment) is thought to mean the state must be atheistic and secular.

But religious freedom merely meant there was to be no ecclesiastical control of the government. That didn't mean that government had to treat all religions the same, or that legislators couldn't act on their own religious convictions.

And, honestly, it is the federal government only that is barred from having ecclesiastical ties. Nine of the thirteen colonies had state churches when the Constitution was ratified. It wasn't until 1947 that public schools were accused of being in violation of the First Amendment for bussing kids to churches during the day for religious instruction.

So, religious freedom, as it is defined today, is indeed anti-Christ. And I agree in that respect.

 

[37818]

Freedom of "religion," as it has been called, is fundamental to freedom to allow us to believe what is actually true. It was never intended as licence to believe anything. The separation of state and churches is to protect that freedom, not to take it away, as some evil men in our current goverment have wrongly used it.

 

[rsr]

And who gets to decide what is "actually true?" The Anglicans decided they were right and everyone else wrong; then the Presbyterians took over. In the United States, the Anglicans and Congregationalists persecuted Baptists.

Tell me which of these are deserving of being recognized as "actually true": Baptists, Word of Faith, Catholics, Mormons, Unitarians, Orthodox, Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, Pentecostal, Oneness Pentecostals, Presbyterians, Disciples of Christ, Church of Christ.

It is disturbing to see American Baptists jettison their distinctive belief in religious liberty as espoused by men like Isaac Backus, John Clarke, Obadiah Holmes, John Leland and George Truett.

 

[Van]

You realize, of course, that some Baptists are Calvinists. And that Baptists were the most outspoken proponents of religious liberty in the early republic — and those proponents were predominantly Calvinists.

What exactly is the difference between a "reformed" church and a "baptist" church.

Calvinist doctrine of reprobation denied by Baptists
Limited Atonement denied by Baptists
Churches governed autonomously, non-credal, denied by Reformed.
Soul Liberty denied by Reformed

 

[Van]

Which of the founding fathers were Calvinists? Jefferson? Nope. Madison Maybe,
Leland? Nope The key Baptist belief in soul liberty, denied by Calvinists in favor of Total Spiritual Inability, provides the basis of religious liberty.

 

[rsr]

What exactly is the difference between a "reformed" church and a "baptist" church.

Calvinist doctrine of reprobation denied by Baptists
Limited Atonement denied by Baptists
Churches governed autonomously, non-credal, denied by Reformed.
Soul Liberty denied by Reformed

As usual, you do not know what you are talking about. Why do you pretend you do? Taint so.

 

[rsr]

Which of the founding fathers were Calvinists? Jefferson? Nope. Madison Maybe,
Leland? Nope The key Baptist belief in soul liberty, denied by Calvinists in favor of Total Spiritual Inability, provides the basis of religious liberty.

Please learn to read with comprehension. Most of the Revolutionary era Baptists who preached religious liberty were Calvinists, such as Leland and Backus. Clarke and Holmes and Roger Williams, who were pre-Revolutionary, were Calvinists.

 

[Van]

Backus was Calvinist, Leland was not.

"John Leland was a Baptist evangelist in the revolutionary era, who agitated Thomas Jefferson and James Madison to include constitutional guarantees of religious liberty. He railed against the Anglican state churches, with their restrictions on gospel preaching. He did so for theological reasons. At one time, he defined his theology as one that preaches “the doctrines of sovereign grace with a little of what is called Arminianism.”"

 

[Van]

As usual, you do not know what you are talking about. Why do you pretend you do? Taint so.

Note that once again, a post against the man, devoid of on topic content.

What exactly is the difference between a "reformed" church and a "baptist" church.

Calvinist doctrine of reprobation denied by Baptists
Limited Atonement denied by Baptists
Churches governed autonomously, non-credal, denied by Reformed.
Soul Liberty denied by Reformed

 

[rsr]

Of course he was. Pretty much the same type of Calvinist as Spurgeon.

 

[rsr]

Note that once again, a post against the man, devoid of on topic content.

What exactly is the difference between a "reformed" church and a "baptist" church.

Calvinist doctrine of reprobation denied by Baptists
Limited Atonement denied by Baptists
Churches governed autonomously, non-credal, denied by Reformed.
Soul Liberty denied by Reformed

You keep repeating the same things as if repeating them makes them true, posts devoid of content verging on bearing false witness since you refuse to consider you might, God help us, be wrong about something that you have cooked up in your fevered imagination. Everything you have mentioned is wrong and, now that you have been informed otherwise, will be a lie if you repeat it again. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[37818]

And who gets to decide what is "actually true?"

Everyone does for what ever reason. Or else everyone is told by someone else, and there can be no freedom.

 

[Van]

Lets see, I said Leland was not Calvinist.
I said Baptists deny the Calvinist doctrine of reprobation.
I said Baptists deny the Calvinist doctrine of Limited Atonement.
I said Reformed deny Soul Liberty
I said Reformed deny autonomous non-credal church polity.

The rebuttal? Van does not know what he is talking about and "taint so."

 

[asterisktom]

Religious freedom and Christianity are arch enemies. No where does the Bible endorse religious freedom. In fact, all other religions except worship of the True, Living God of Heaven are condemned.

Here is one blatant example why our religious freedom is a work of satan.

Alaska government meeting opens with ‘Hail Satan’ prayer

With the influx of muslims, satanist, etc. in our government institutions we should expect to see a rapid decline in the religious stability we have had in our history.

My motto:
Neither condemn what God condones nor condone what God condemns

They had no business having anyone open in prayer, whether Satanic or saintly. There has to be separation of Church (churches of all kinds) and State.