Panetta salutes gays in military

[freeatlast]

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Friday thanked gay and lesbian military members for their service, as the Pentagon prepares to mark June as gay pride month with an official salute...
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Panetta-salutes-gays-in-military-3636077.php

 

[SolaSaint]

Panetta needs to come out of the closet.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Panetta needs to come out of the closet.

Instaed of coming out of the closet they need to clean it up.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[SolaSaint]

I'd say the entire house needs cleaned or disinfected.

 

[Crabtownboy]

When I was in the military I was told you may hate a particular officer, but you have to salute. Why? Because you are not saluting the man, but the uniform. It is respect for the what the uniform stands for, not the man.

There have always been gays in the military. We had two in the company I served in. The company commander gave them a room together and told them he did not care what they did there, but if they bothered any other fellow in the company they would be in deep trouble. He was a very fair and TOUGH man. You did not want to cross him in any way. But if you were right about an issue he would back you all the way.

 

[freeatlast]

When I was in the military I was told you may hate a particular officer, but you have to salute. Why? Because you are not saluting the man, but the uniform. It is respect for the what the uniform stands for, not the man.

There have always been gays in the military. We had two in the company I served in. The company commander gave them a room together and told them he did not care what they did there, but if they bothered any other fellow in the company they would be in deep trouble. He was a very fair and TOUGH man. You did not want to cross him in any way. But if you were right about an issue he would back you all the way.

So you think being fair is giving them rooms together so they can indulge in their immoral lifestyle?

 

[Salty]

So you think being fair is giving them rooms together so they can indulge in their immoral lifestyle?

Free, of course! And I am sure that the Old Man* and Top would have allowed a female to share a room with a man for the same reason.

Sarge Salty

* Company Commander
First Sergeant

 

[Crabtownboy]

So you think being fair is giving them rooms together so they can indulge in their immoral lifestyle?

Did I say I did?

Did I approve of the company commanders not prosecuting soldiers who committed adultery ... which was also against Army regulations?

I was not talking about what I approved or disapproved of. I was a lowly private and what I approved or disapproved of made no difference in any way as far as what was done or not done.

 

[freeatlast]

Did I say I did?

Did I approve of the company commanders not prosecuting soldiers who committed adultery ... which was also against Army regulations?

I was not talking about what I approved or disapproved of. I was a lowly private and what I approved or disapproved of made no difference in any way as far as what was done or not done.

Then are you retracting that statement that he was a fair man and saying that he was actually a lawless and very evil man?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Then are you retracting that statement that he was a fair man and saying that he was actually a lawless and very evil man?

Not at all. He was tough but very fair. He gave them his ground rules and that was that. He did not have a double standard, one against gays and one for immoral straight GIs. Fair means the same for all ... not for a select few. I can say he was fair whether I agreed with him or not. It does not matter if I approved or disapproved. I guess you do not believe in being fair ... is that right?

 

[freeatlast]

Not at all. He was tough but very fair. He gave them his ground rules and that was that. He did not have a double standard, one against gays and one for immoral straight GIs. Fair means the same for all ... not for a select few. I can say he was fair whether I agreed with him or not. It does not matter if I approved or disapproved. I guess you do not believe in being fair ... is that right?

So would you consider Jesus as fair or unfair if He would not put two practicing homosexuals in the same room so they could practice their immoral lifestyle? I am just trying to understand how you decide what constitutes fairness. You seem to get it from worldly perspective instead of a godly one.

 

[Don]

Not at all. He was tough but very fair. He gave them his ground rules and that was that. He did not have a double standard, one against gays and one for immoral straight GIs. Fair means the same for all ... not for a select few. I can say he was fair whether I agreed with him or not. It does not matter if I approved or disapproved. I guess you do not believe in being fair ... is that right?

Here's where you're wrong: up until just recently, the two people you mention were guilty of violating Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Adultery has never been specified, but when prosecuted, has been done so under Article 134. In both cases, the fact is that your CO encouraged behavior in violation of the UCMJ. That makes him neither fair nor just; and in fact makes him guilty of violating Article 81 (Conspiracy); and undermines the good order and discipline of the military by giving the appearance that your unit could flagrantly violate the UCMJ while others could not.

Officers, like NCOs and Enlisted, don't have the authority or the right to pick and choose which laws they wish to abide by.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Here's where you're wrong: up until just recently, the two people you mention were guilty of violating Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Adultery has never been specified, but when prosecuted, has been done so under Article 134. In both cases, the fact is that your CO encouraged behavior in violation of the UCMJ. That makes him neither fair nor just; and in fact makes him guilty of violating Article 81 (Conspiracy); and undermines the good order and discipline of the military by giving the appearance that your unit could flagrantly violate the UCMJ while others could not.

Officers, like NCOs and Enlisted, don't have the authority or the right to pick and choose which laws they wish to abide by.

Very well put. I have to add, CTB, that you contradicted yourself in your post. You said that he was fair, and didn't have double standards. But he put two practicing homosexuals together; and I dare say he didn't put male and female together.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Very well put. I have to add, CTB, that you contradicted yourself in your post. You said that he was fair, and didn't have double standards. But he put two practicing homosexuals together; and I dare say he didn't put male and female together.

Putting a male and female soldier in the same room was impossible. There were no mixed gender in the Army at that time. This may not have been true of medical units, but if there were mixed gender units in the Army I never heard of any at that time. In fact, there were no female soldiers on the entire kaserne where my unit was stationed. So, your statement is a red herring.

Remember I was in the old Army and many things were different then. The only WAC I remember seeing the entire time I was in the Army was a WAC major who chewed out one of my buddies for leaving food on his tray at breakfast. She must have been on the 7th Army Headquarters staff as this happened in Heidelberg.