Pastor Joel Osteen

unity at the price of doctrine is not Godly unity.

There are actually quite a few things that we are supposed to separate over.....and some of them include separating from Christian brothers for a time.

 

Slamming Fundamentalists or KJVO's in every post you make is not a good way to make friends or influence people.

 

Wow--that will probably cause his ministry to go bankrupt with the loss of exposure on your web site.

 

Perhaps a better student of history can help me out here, but wasn't a large part of the Modernism v Fundamentalism debate at the turn of the 20th cent over unity? Machen's book "Christianity & Liberalism" talks about how liberal churches just wanted to promote unity, even to the point of uniting with pagans.

Contrast Mr. Oesteen with the Together for The Gospel 4 - Mohler, Mahaney, Duncan and Dever. They come from different denominations yet unite on what the true gospel is. They also published a document that shows their understanding of the true gospel, and are willing to be united with anyone who affirms it.

 

Joel Osteen was on Larry King sometime ago...Larry King asked if Joel believed that salvation through Christ was the only way to heaven...and Joel said 'I dunno.'

 

........:thumbs:

 

I agree with all the responses so far.

I am unified with the members of this board against unity at the expense of sound doctrine.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I am not going to question Osteen's salvation, but his sermons are so absent of meat that they are devoid of biblical content.

So add me to the unity movement. I am unified with those who soundly, boldly, clearly, without apology preach the gospel.

And I saw him on Larry King. I was embarrassed at his lack of testimony.

 

No of course not.

But I don't know any Fundamentalists who have separated over these things.

I know STORIES of church people getting in fights with each other over dumb little things like the above, and then leaving the church. But that's not Biblical separation, thats a temper tantrum.

 

Osteen is ashamed of the gospel. Some girl on "The View" stood up for God while Osteen just sat there with his head hanging down, mutterring over and over "I don't believe in judging people".

 

Wow, now thats heavy artillery you're speaking of when you speak of that gospel 4! All so sound, clear and biblical! No compromise, no shenanigans, just clear "Preach the Word" as Paul instructed Timothy!
As for Machen, he was great and his book Christianity and Liberalism really spells it out! They couldnt take it though and fired him from Princeton for standing by God's truth and not backing down to them! Wonderful book!

 

Unity

Unity at the price of sound doctrine is called 'compromise'!
Compromise, as in that 'lukewarm' church that couldnt take a stand in Revelation. They will be spewed from His mouth!!

 

NateT,

the problem is that Biblical separation is not confined to the salvation issue. We are told to also separate when a person is not obeying the words of God in general.....

1Ti 6:3
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.


I don't actually know much about Osteen specifically, so Im speaking generally here.