Pastor proves to be debate challenge when exploring Hermeneutics of Culture analysis

[evangelist6589]

Had a long chat with a pastor recently. He seems to want to debate with me and is a pastor with a dozen books, perhaps even more than me. He is using this book to aide his exegesis and view on both homosexuality and the role of women in the ministry.

Slaves, Women & Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis

This book has been endorsed by Bible Scholar Darrell L. Bock and certainly his words on exegesis will exceed a book by a pastor author, or a theologian author and these kinds of books dominate my library. This pastor I spoke with just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do, expect in passages where the meaning is explained as figurative, or common sense dictates a figurative meaning.

So how should I respond to him? I am preparing a letter and will strive to address his many points and lengthly email to me based on what I do know. I am no NT Scholar nor have much training in the original languages, but I do have the Holy Spirit and have training in apologetics and evangelism. All I can do is witness and let God grant repentance and faith. But it would be nice to address his arguments.

 

[Greektim]

Had a long chat with a pastor recently. He seems to want to debate with me and is a pastor with a dozen books, perhaps even more than me. He is using this book to aide his exegesis and view on both homosexuality and the role of women in the ministry.

Slaves, Women & Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis

This book has been endorsed by Bible Scholar Darrell L. Bock and certainly his words on exegesis will exceed a book by a pastor author, or a theologian author and these kinds of books dominate my library. This pastor I spoke with just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do, expect in passages where the meaning is explained as figurative, or common sense dictates a figurative meaning.

So how should I respond to him? I am preparing a letter and will strive to address his many points and lengthly email to me based on what I do know. I am no NT Scholar nor have much training in the original languages, but I do have the Holy Spirit and have training in apologetics and evangelism. All I can do is witness and let God grant repentance and faith. But it would be nice to address his arguments.

Evan####, I'm just proud of you for linking a book to amazon for us. Way to go!!!

 

[Revmitchell]

Had a long chat with a pastor recently. He seems to want to debate with me and is a pastor with a dozen books, perhaps even more than me. He is using this book to aide his exegesis and view on both homosexuality and the role of women in the ministry.

Slaves, Women & Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis

This book has been endorsed by Bible Scholar Darrell L. Bock and certainly his words on exegesis will exceed a book by a pastor author, or a theologian author and these kinds of books dominate my library. This pastor I spoke with just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do, expect in passages where the meaning is explained as figurative, or common sense dictates a figurative meaning.

So how should I respond to him? I am preparing a letter and will strive to address his many points and lengthly email to me based on what I do know. I am no NT Scholar nor have much training in the original languages, but I do have the Holy Spirit and have training in apologetics and evangelism. All I can do is witness and let God grant repentance and faith. But it would be nice to address his arguments.

What is it with you and books. Everything you do and say around here is about some book.

 

[evangelist6589]

What is it with you and books. Everything you do and say around here is about some book.

Did you even read my post?????? Yes educated and thinking people read.

 

[Revmitchell]

Did you even read my post?????? Yes educated and thinking people read.

Everyone around here reads. Most if not all of us have a long reading list. However, our lives and interaction with other people does not depend on books. We can actually have a conversation that does not require we bring up a book title. We can actually share the gospel and even share that sharing without the need to bring up a book title.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Did you even read my post?????? Yes educated and thinking people read.

Evan, it does appear that you place a lot of emphasis on books. If books make a man educated, then I might just be one of the smartest people here. I have over 200 books. I buy about 4-5 books a month. About 20% of those are non fiction.

I think rev's point was you are talking about how many books the pastor has, as if that's an indication of how formidable a debate opponent he will be, when this may or may not be the case.

 

[Deacon]

The book wasn't just endorsed by Darrell Bock, Bock wrote the foreword.
That's a strong endorsement.

Looking over those that have recommened it, you'll have a hard time debating the issue. You're way outclassed - these are prominent evangelical scholars.

Claiming the Holy Spirit as a reason you are correctly interpreting scripture demonstrates that you are not interpreting scripture corrrectly.

And you say he "just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do,".
I'd suggest that you don't interpret the whole bible literally, why should you expect him to!
The bible wasn't written to be interpreted wholly literally - it uses literary forms common to the way the author of the time wrote.

Humility sometimes requires that we learn from those we disagree with.
Sometimes it requires that we set the issue aside as we listen to what others say.
Rarely does disagreement mean that we should denounce someone as apostate from the faith.

Rob

 

[evangelist6589]

Pastor proves to be debate challenge when exploring Hermeneutics of Culture a...

The book wasn't just endorsed by Darrell Bock, Bock wrote the foreword.
That's a strong endorsement.

Looking over those that have recommened it, you'll have a hard time debating the issue. You're way outclassed - these are prominent evangelical scholars.

Claiming the Holy Spirit as a reason you are correctly interpreting scripture demonstrates that you are not interpreting scripture corrrectly.

And you say he "just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do,".
I'd suggest that you don't interpret the whole bible literally, why should you expect him to!
The bible wasn't written to be interpreted wholly literally - it uses literary forms common to the way the author of the time wrote.

Humility sometimes requires that we learn from those we disagree with.
Sometimes it requires that we set the issue aside as we listen to what others say.
Rarely does disagreement mean that we should denounce someone as apostate from the faith.

Rob

I am better off getting advice from fellow Calvinist and what I am doing listening to a sermon by one. I have reinforced learning and also picked up some of the recent history of the movement with the influence of Freud and others. Those caught in this sin are no different than a drunkard so in that sense I would be against some of my brother evangelist whom target those involved in this sin directly yet seem to ignore the false teachers whom have a more dangerous sin. What I mean is that they carry signs and open air preach against them yet have failed to write letters to the apostate churches.

I'd see we need to deounce some as apostate especially when they teach doctrine that is not sound. Jesus did it Paul did it.

Listening to this brother preach this is exactly what he is doing. Denouncing some as apostate when they are. However God does love this community and commands us to evangelize them.

 

[evangelist6589]

Pastor proves to be debate challenge when exploring Hermeneutics of Culture a...

The book wasn't just endorsed by Darrell Bock, Bock wrote the foreword.
That's a strong endorsement.

Looking over those that have recommened it, you'll have a hard time debating the issue. You're way outclassed - these are prominent evangelical scholars.

Claiming the Holy Spirit as a reason you are correctly interpreting scripture demonstrates that you are not interpreting scripture corrrectly.

And you say he "just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do,".
I'd suggest that you don't interpret the whole bible literally, why should you expect him to!
The bible wasn't written to be interpreted wholly literally - it uses literary forms common to the way the author of the time wrote.

Humility sometimes requires that we learn from those we disagree with.
Sometimes it requires that we set the issue aside as we listen to what others say.
Rarely does disagreement mean that we should denounce someone as apostate from the faith.

Rob

Secondary issues we can agree we can learn from others

 

[quantumfaith]

Everyone around here reads. Most if not all of us have a long reading list. However, our lives and interaction with other people does not depend on books. We can actually have a conversation that does not require we bring up a book title. We can actually share the gospel and even share that sharing without the need to bring up a book title.

Excellent analysis!!!!!!

 

[quantumfaith]

The book wasn't just endorsed by Darrell Bock, Bock wrote the foreword.
That's a strong endorsement.

Looking over those that have recommened it, you'll have a hard time debating the issue. You're way outclassed - these are prominent evangelical scholars.

Claiming the Holy Spirit as a reason you are correctly interpreting scripture demonstrates that you are not interpreting scripture corrrectly.

And you say he "just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do,".
I'd suggest that you don't interpret the whole bible literally, why should you expect him to!
The bible wasn't written to be interpreted wholly literally - it uses literary forms common to the way the author of the time wrote.

Humility sometimes requires that we learn from those we disagree with.
Sometimes it requires that we set the issue aside as we listen to what others say.
Rarely does disagreement mean that we should denounce someone as apostate from the faith.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[annsni]

You may want to read this article by Kevin DeYoung

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2014/11/13/not-that-kind-of-homosexuality/

 

[Yeshua1]

Had a long chat with a pastor recently. He seems to want to debate with me and is a pastor with a dozen books, perhaps even more than me. He is using this book to aide his exegesis and view on both homosexuality and the role of women in the ministry.

Slaves, Women & Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis

This book has been endorsed by Bible Scholar Darrell L. Bock and certainly his words on exegesis will exceed a book by a pastor author, or a theologian author and these kinds of books dominate my library. This pastor I spoke with just can't seem to read the Bible literally and interpret literally as I do, expect in passages where the meaning is explained as figurative, or common sense dictates a figurative meaning.

So how should I respond to him? I am preparing a letter and will strive to address his many points and lengthly email to me based on what I do know. I am no NT Scholar nor have much training in the original languages, but I do have the Holy Spirit and have training in apologetics and evangelism. All I can do is witness and let God grant repentance and faith. But it would be nice to address his arguments.

You can point out the scriptures to him, but it takes a miracle of God thru the Spirit to have his mindset changed!

 

[evangelist6589]

Pastor proves to be debate challenge when exploring Hermeneutics of Culture a...

You can point out the scriptures to him, but it takes a miracle of God thru the Spirit to have his mindset changed!

Amen!!! I do this in every letter and this reply letter I will do this as well as include tracts. Just keep me in prayer brother. Also am reading over the book THE GAY GOSPEL to address some of his arguments and point to the history of the movement.

However I think his bigger issues is his denial of the trinity.