Pauls Conversion: Could it have been resisted?

Hi Whetstone;

Paul believed in God long before his conversion. Even before the crucifixion. So what you're implying is that the appearance of Christ to paul was his regeneration My! My! a Calvinist that will admit that belief in God comes before regeneration what wonders will never cease?
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

No, Paul would not have written his letters in the first place if he had rejected Jesus' indefinable invitation.

But that doesn't answer your intent. You think if Paul hadn't written all those letters that they would not have gotten written...Right? Well you raise Paul to the level of God!

Besides if Paul hadn't written the God breathed "word of God", there were plenty of people living at the time that could have, and would have.

 

Is that the question you wanted an answer to?

OK!

The recruitment of Paul by Jesus is the only one of it's kind ever in recorded history, and you want to use it as an example of the typical?

Not a very good way to win souls in the Kingdom of God!

 

Hi Whetstone;

Yes He could have but ("would") he might be a better question. My point is that Paul was not converted or regenerarted by what he seen. He recognized the Lord because of what He had seen but believed in God before it happened. I believe Paul was a member of the Sanhedrim. I know that you may claim that this is paul being regenerated because I've heard the same theory before. Irresistible Grace doesn't exist anywhere in scripture if you'd care to make a defense for it I will debate it with you.

I'm not going to tell you that I know all there is to know about scripture because I simply don't, but then I'm not stupid either. I have studied scripture most of my life
So be gentile please.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

There is nothing baffling about Paul's conversion. However it is the only of its kind in recorded history and therefore cannot be an example of "normal human acceptance of Christ -- Christian conversion.

You should have checked your question before you posted it. If God had not chosen Paul and recruited him in a totally unique manner, would the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures we have been written?

You seem to be saying that Paul wrote the bible, and without him we would not be priveleged to have the Holy Word of God. My gracious, I wonder if Matthew Mark Luke and John along with Peter and James might feel a bit slighted by your overwhelming indorsement of Paul? Actually, I think there were many well qualified men during the time that could have written the God breathed word of God! It did not have to be Paul. So why are you so concerned about the writing of God Breathed scripture?

The truth about Paul is that he was persecuting the believers in Jesus in a very zealous manner, God saw the ferver with which Paul operated, Liked the energy level, and recruited Paul for His service. But Paul needed the solitude of blindness for a few days in order to refocus. Blind people are generally more compliant, and listen more carefully.

Paul is not the issue here. The writing of the bible is not at issue here either. Election is the issue, but the only recorded even of its kind is not an example of the election you want everyone to accept as truth.

 

Wise words Whetstone, WE EXPECT THE SAME FROM YOU!

 

Hi Whetstone;

You're attempting to claim that Paul and his conversion was prophesized. Absolutely not supported by scripture
You in the end of this Paragraph say

How ever not one piece of scripture about Paul's encounter suggest that Paul was converted right there and then. Yes because of Paul being elect and being a believer in God recognize Christ as Deity. Right off the bat Paul called Him Lord. Why? Well if I had such an encounter with Pauls limited educated I would have responded the same way. This was not regeneration but a removal of the blindness inflicted on all Israel because of there rejection. It was still up to Paul to seek the teaching he no doubt got from Ananias and the disciples. It doesn't say How long He was with them exactly just says certain days.

Yes and it says the Word was God. The Word talked about there is Jesus Christ not some predestined plan. The very living God.

Then why don't you show that instead of just speculating about it. Your thoughts about it doesn't prove squat. It just shows you are reading into scripture what isn't there. You seem to be speculating your own doctrines

You haven't shown proof for this speculation yet. The road to Damascus was when his blindness was removed. This isn't regeneration. What happened to Paul was a vision that caused Him Blindness physically for 3 days no doubt to give him some time to dwell on his experience and make up His mind. If what you claim is true then Paul wasn't saved by faith but by seeing Christ. Have you seen Christ? I mean if this is regeneration then you must have the same happen to you. Conversion may have begun there because the blinders were removed.

Read Jeremiah 18:1-10 and ask your self if the actions of men determine there own destiny.
If God planned for man to Love Him then He would have to allow for the fact that love cannot be provoked. Not only this if Your doctrine were so. Then God could not possibly Love man but only wishes to dominate man.
Love doesn't seek it's own way, but a way for the beloved.
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

The one acceptable accepts the Word with all readiness of mind and perseveres. The ones who do not are condemned for not doing so.

I always treat everyone with respect until they disrespect me. Even if they have shown disrespect before if they speak to me with respect I will to them forgetting everything before.
I believe Christ is my Savior and I make myself and train up myself so that I may win the prize.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

Hi Whetstone;

Your problem here is that you can't show what you claim is true. The Bible was not penned in the mind of God before the foundation of the world and you've shown no account of such a thing with scripture.

There simply nothing but your own suggestion that this could be the case. Scripture just doesn't say that he could not resist.

The Bible is two thirds prophecy and not one word have you proven was written before the foundation of the world.

But you haven't proven what God's will is. I have and that is He will draw all men to Him even though all men will not accept His Grace.

I wouldn't even try. Something we agree on.

Will you put words in my mouth as well. Isimply said no such thing.

I'm not surprized that you would accuse me of something regardless of how nice I am. It's in your nature to accuse of what you are most guilty of...

So you will notice that you accussed me first

So disrespectfull because your not adult enough for respect.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike