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Per Roman and Lutheran Theology, what actually does water baptism and communion accomplish?
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canadyjd
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In RCC theology, all sacraments distribute God’s grace to the participant when delivered by a priest. Baptism removes sin. Communion applies the blessing of Christ blood and flesh to the participant. If I remember correctly.
If I remember correctly, Lutheran theology is similar though they deny a literal presence of Christ’s blood and flesh but accept a spiritual presence of Christ’s blood and flesh.
Peace to you
If I remember correctly, Lutheran theology is similar though they deny a literal presence of Christ’s blood and flesh but accept a spiritual presence of Christ’s blood and flesh.
Peace to you
Christforums
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Holy Baptism
1 We have now finished the three chief parts of the common Christian doctrine. Besides these we have yet to speak of our two Sacraments instituted by Christ, of which also every Christian ought to have at least an ordinary, brief instruction, because without them there can be no Christian...
bookofconcord.org
Regenerative water Baptism. Universal Christian Belief for the first 1500 years including first reformers. Not majority belief, but absolutely universal.
If symbolic baptism was true, then all Christianity was totally and completely in error for the first 1500 years, and the vast majority today.
Ulrich Zwingli was the first to postulate the idea of symbolic baptism and the first to postulate symbolic Eucharist.
These were ideas never taught in all Christianity beforehand. But were entirely the invention of Zwingli from his private interpretation of scripture. Human tradition.
Lutherans as well as Anglicans believe in the Real Presence of Christ the Eucharisti. And, contrary to what you may have heard, Lutherans do not believe in consubstantiation
While the term "consubstantiation" is sometimes used to describe the Lutheran view of the Eucharist, Lutherans, including the LCMS, reject the term and instead prefer the term "sacramental union" or "real presence", emphasizing that Christ's body and blood are truly present "in, with, and under" the bread and wine.
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N.T. Wright, one of sharpest theologians of our time (Anglican), is an excellent source to understand what can take place in the lives of those who avail themselves to the sacraments of Holy Baptism and the Eucharist.
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So the infant partakes of water baptism, they are then "born again?"
Literally body and blood are pagan concepts, the earliest christians would have viewed it as Baptists do, as a symbloic symol to represent what already happened when saved
But it never becomes physically the flesh and blood of Jesus per them
Wright is Nt Wrong in so many areas regarding Sotierology
So when the infant partakes of Water Baptism, is that when they become "born again?"
Whats happen them to infants and small children who never yet partook of that and they died?
canadyjd
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I understand you believe that and the RCC claims all church history despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Ill let you debate it with someone else.
I was simply giving my understanding of what RCC believes.
Peace to you
Christforums
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I am a member of the Lutheran church from the synod LBC. And agree w/ you, while such terms as real presence are not used an emphasis on "is" is made, for example "this is my body or this is my blood".
Whereas Reformed Presbyterians believe Jesus is exalted by the right-hand side of the Father and really is present through the Spirit as well the faithful remnant or saints, past and present. To confuse matters, the bread and wine are considered symbols pointing to the communion of the Triune G-d and body of believers.
The Book of Concord really is a good resource to go to concerning Lutheran theology.
No, they are cleansed of Origional Sin. That is considered a Sacrument. Now you can get into heaven…not before.
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Christforums
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That's baptismal regeneration as far as I am aware only the Roman Catholics and Church of Christ believe in baptismal regeneration.
Supreme Irony is that Peter Himself would ball it borderline blasphemy to call him Vicar of Christ and Holy Father and Pope
Per Lutheran theology regarding salvation, must one be infant water baptized to be saved then?
So Rome denies that blood of Jesus cleanses from all sins then?
Its heresy
canadyjd
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No. Baptized yes. By sprinkling, yes. Infants of believers are baptized and adults who convert are baptized.
Peace to you