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Positional and Conditional Truths

NetChaplain

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Let the joy “of the Lord” rise in you as often as possible via exercising your faith in His Expiation for “the old man’s” presence and works within you! Unless your present state is in a sadness from the bereavement of a passing loved one (and even in these trials as maturity progresses), or in a time of equal difficulty from another issue, saints can rejoice about their salvation. Many will not be able to respond very quickly, if at all, to this provision of encouragement from God because we are too used to basing our support on our “condition” rather than our “position.”

The condition of many believers in Christ is that they are attempting (often without awareness) to improve their “old man” and get it so submit to God, but this is a common mistake and not God’s plan (Rom 8:7). We must look at who we are (believers perpetually forgiven) more than what we are (possessors of a sin nature). Let’s not forget that the sin source yet “dwells within us” (Ro 7:17, 20), and that we are not in it (no longer considered “sinners” - Ro 8:9). God—through Christ—by Their Spirit using the Life of Christ (Col 3:4) has “circumcised” us from the sin nature (old man), “with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” (Col 2:11).

The “positional” truths are what contains our exhortation, and nowhere else. Understanding this will keep us from the growth-robbing oppositions (self, Satan and society), which, though delays spiritual growth can never effect any successful result concerning opposition to our salvation. When the permanence of faith and salvation are sufficiently understood, these truths become clear and apprehensive to appropriate them; and then we stand more than not—encouraged and growing, until our earthly time has transpired.
Our condition is that we are still effected by the sin nature (old man), and is why works effect not salvation, but the inverse; and our position shows us not to base acceptance with God (Eph 1:6) on this condition (old man restoration society) but in our position in Christ. Of course, God could have removed the sin nature at rebirth, but He is using it for the same purpose He uses it initially—to manifest His holy nature, and thus our need for Him.

When our position is rested in, our condition and its reasons are more understood and more correctly responded toward glorifying God, and there will be continuous growth in the Lord Jesus’ “image” (Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18)—but not until then!
 

Darrell C

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I believe the better we understand that our salvation is the product of the efforts of God the better we understand good works will result because of His continued work.

I think the attempt to perform good works based on a desire to either be saved or to improve our salvation are no less filthy rags in God's eyes than the works we performed prior to His indwelling presence.

And that they get in the way of what He would will to do through us.

Have a blessed day, brother!


God bless.
 

NetChaplain

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I believe the better we understand that our salvation is the product of the efforts of God the better we understand good works will result because of His continued work.
Good instruction Brother--God's always "working in you to desire and do His good pleasure" (Phl 2:13). This is why we will never leave Him! What we might receive within ourselves does not suffice, only what we receive from Him!
 

Darrell C

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Good instruction Brother--God's always "working in you to desire and do His good pleasure" (Phl 2:13). This is why we will never leave Him! What we might receive within ourselves does not suffice, only what we receive from Him!

Amen and amen!

God bless.
 

CalTech

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Let the joy “of the Lord” rise in you as often as possible via exercising your faith in His Expiation for “the old man’s” presence and works within you! Unless your present state is in a sadness from the bereavement of a passing loved one (and even in these trials as maturity progresses), or in a time of equal difficulty from another issue, saints can rejoice about their salvation. Many will not be able to respond very quickly, if at all, to this provision of encouragement from God because we are too used to basing our support on our “condition” rather than our “position.”

The condition of many believers in Christ is that they are attempting (often without awareness) to improve their “old man” and get it so submit to God, but this is a common mistake and not God’s plan (Rom 8:7). We must look at who we are (believers perpetually forgiven) more than what we are (possessors of a sin nature). Let’s not forget that the sin source yet “dwells within us” (Ro 7:17, 20), and that we are not in it (no longer considered “sinners” - Ro 8:9). God—through Christ—by Their Spirit using the Life of Christ (Col 3:4) has “circumcised” us from the sin nature (old man), “with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” (Col 2:11).

The “positional” truths are what contains our exhortation, and nowhere else. Understanding this will keep us from the growth-robbing oppositions (self, Satan and society), which, though delays spiritual growth can never effect any successful result concerning opposition to our salvation. When the permanence of faith and salvation are sufficiently understood, these truths become clear and apprehensive to appropriate them; and then we stand more than not—encouraged and growing, until our earthly time has transpired.
Our condition is that we are still effected by the sin nature (old man), and is why works effect not salvation, but the inverse; and our position shows us not to base acceptance with God (Eph 1:6) on this condition (old man restoration society) but in our position in Christ. Of course, God could have removed the sin nature at rebirth, but He is using it for the same purpose He uses it initially—to manifest His holy nature, and thus our need for Him.

When our position is rested in, our condition and its reasons are more understood and more correctly responded toward glorifying God, and there will be continuous growth in the Lord Jesus’ “image” (Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18)—but not until then!


Greetings,

This is all very true and correct. For WE can do nothing, Only In Christ Jesus shall we be found. Christ said it Himself, "Without me you can do NOTHING"! How many have not received the full revelation of what that stands for! How many have received just a small morsel taste of His Glorious being through the working Power of the Holy Spirit?

That is why we shall toss our "crowns" to Him for it is HE which has done it all....."for it is finished", only by the faith of Christ shall we understand, the full meaning of the "Depth, the Width, the Length, the Height of His Everlasting Love. Only through the working Power of the Holy Spirit, who shall teach us ALL things, and Glorify the Lord within our hearts, souls and minds!

How many have had a minuscule taste of the BEAUTY of the LORD, and HIS HOLINESS? How many have been granted and given the Grace to understand the phrase "sick of LOVE"?

Son_2:5 Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love.
Son_5:8 I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love.


The Apostle John had experienced such love, "he leaned on His breast"....
Joh 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
Joh 13:24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
Joh 13:25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?


Can you just imagine John listening to the precious blood flowing and pumping through the very Heart of God?
Can the Love that Jonathan & David share, be a picture of us sensing and actually feeling that type of Love that is shed abroad within our hearts, by the precious working of the Holy Spirit reflecting the Love of Christ towards us?

These scriptures speak of such Love we can experience between ourselves and our Saviour and God, to realize we need nothing else whatsoever:


2Sa_1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
1Sa_18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
1Sa_18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

1Sa_20:17 And Jonathan caused David to swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his own soul.

To be granted the experience by living revelation by the Holy Spirit which grants us to hear this, to see it, and to have it written upon the tablet's of our hearts.....to "be sick of Love" for such a Righteous, Holy, and Loving God.....for it shall assist us to see HIM as HE IS.....in the Beauty of His Holiness.......and to therefore experience that wonderful truth......that we may be One with Him as He is with the Father.......such unspeakable reality!

Joh_17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh_17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh_17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh_17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


Until we meet HIM.....Face to face......
Let the name of the Lord be PRAISED!!!

The Lord bless you....
In His Love....
 
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