ByGracethroughFaith said:
Both can be correct, either God the Father or the Trinity. What you illustrated can be refuted as follows:
1) Jesus meant JN 2 by obeying Himself to His Father, and thereby, He believed that His Father will raise Him up. So, He didn't mean the resurrection by Himself but by the Father.
If Anyone is in a position to Raise himself from the dead, then he was no longer dead. He should have been alive always in order to raise himself from the dead. Therefore it is contradictory, denying the complete death of Jesus.
2) Romans 8:11 - You misunderstood quite a lot about this verse.
You better read the Greek Text to avoid the misinterpretation.
Ει δε το Πνευμα του εγειραντοσ Ιησουν εκ νεκρων οικει ( there is a little variance among texts here, but it doesn't affect my point)
Re-translation:
If the Spirit of the person who raised Jesus out of the Dead dwells in (you)
The Greek word for "the person who raised" (Jesus from the Dead) is one word. That means the God the Father who raised Jesus. Again this means The Spirit of the God the Father who raised Jesus out of the Dead.
Therefore this verse is talking that God the Father raised Jesus.
Ask TCGreek if my translation is correct.
3) The word ηγερθη in Luke 24:6
But He is risen : this word has been used 18 times as the Passive mood in NT. This means that He was raised by someone else.
We can notice the word has been used always in passive mood. It cannot be said that Jesus raised Himself, but we believe Jesus laid down Himself unto death, even the death at the Cross, in absolute obedience to God the Father. The Son believed in His Father.
The most difficult job for the God in Tri-unity who cannot die was to die at the Cross by the hands of His creatures. That Job, the most difficult job was done by His beloved Son.
And the job of rasing Him from the Dead was done by His Father.
The Holy Spirit is to witness what the Son has done at the Cross. Before that the Holy Spirit gave birth to the Son in the womb of Mary. Then the job of taking care of the Church is done by the Holy Spirit so that the Truth of Cross may be preached to the people and accepted by the believers under the headship of Jesus Christ.
However one can hardly separate the Trinity of Godheads for each job etc. and I can agree that Trinity work in all the operation of the universe and in the work of Redemption, though the job was done specifically for each step.
4) Now in your theology, you may be saying that Albigenes were wrong and heretics because they didn't believe according to your theology, and you may be condemning me that I should go to the hell because I don't believe in the same as you believe about who has raised Jesus Christ from the dead.
But do I have to agree with you that if anyone doesn't know how the Trinity worked together, exactly, then she or he should go to the Hell?
No, Sir!
In your Bible it may be written this way:
The Robber at the Cross said to Jesus " Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy Kingdom" Luke 23:42
43 Jesus said to him " Do you know Trinity of Godheads? and that the Holy Spirit works in me?" Robber said, " NO, Sir" Jesus said " then you should go to the Hell !"
According to BGTF Bible, which is also modified for PTR.
BGTF,
Read my post in the other thread written about Albigenes. They were the victims by the false accusations made by RCC. You will see them in the Heaven, but you will be ashamed about your false accusation and wrongful judgment on them. I won't be ashamed about my assessment on them on that Day.
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