Pre-tribulation rapture

[Eliyahu]

Pretrib pre-mill outline of time forward:

0. church age continues <== you are here!
1. rapture/resurrection event
2. Tribulation time
3. Second Advent of Jesus event
4. literal MK=millennial kingdom
5. new heaven & new earth

The time line according to Matthew 24
(Mount Olivet Discourse, also Matthew 25,
Mark 13, Luke 21):

0. church age continues <== you are here!
Matthew 24:4-15

1. rapture/resurrection event
Matthew 24:31-44

2. Tribulation time
Matthew 24:21-28

3. Second Advent of Jesus event
Matthew 24:29-30)

Not mentioned in Matthew 24:
(4. literal MK=millennial kingdom)
(5. new heaven & new earth)

The time line according to Revelation:

0. church age continues - Rev 2-3 <== you are here!
1. rapture/resurrection event - Rev 4:1 (type)
2. Tribulation time - Rev 4:2-19:10
3. Second Advent of Jesus event - Rev 19:11-21
4. literal MK=millennial kingdom - Rev 20:1-6
5. new heaven & new earth - Rev 20:7-22:5

The time line according to 2 Thessalonians 2:

0. church age continues <== you are here!
(implied, until the falling away)

1. rapture/resurrection
v.1 - gathering together unto him
v.3 - falling away

2. Tribulation time
(time of the man of sin)

3. Second Advent of Jesus event
v.1 - coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
v.8

Not mentioned:
(4. literal MK=millennial kingdom)
(5. new heaven & new earth)

BTW, I believed in the pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection
in 1952 before i saw these three scriptures as pretrib.
The Holy Spirit showed me these three in the year 2000
or shortly thereafter.
So even if you can prove all three of these scriptures
in error, I'll still hope in the pre-tribulation rapture (PTR)
as will 80% of Baptists and 60% of kindred Christians.

1. Could you explain how there people are saved?

Re 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


2. If the Believers are raptured. how can the Beast come up and make war with the Saints?

The Beast makes a war with the saints in Re 13. If the Saints were already raptured, how could the Beast make the War with the Saints? Didn't they exist before ?

Re 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Doesn't this mean that even at that time, there will be the believers who names are written in the Book of Life?

3) How are these believers saved?
Re 12
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time

4) How are these Remnants glorifying God?

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven


5) What is the meaning of Remnants? Are they newly saved?

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Doesn't Remnants mean the people who existed before an event but left behind the event?

 

[Ed Edwards]

I'll fix some specific answers to your specific questions.

Here are my eschatological FAQ (frequently asked
questions). This is totally from a
pretribulation rapture, pre-millennial Kingdom
Second Coming of Christ.

1) From Adam until the descending of New Jerusalem,
how many ages are there?

I don't know. The Bible doesn't say.

2) Is the Holy Spirit required for salvation?

Yes.

3) Does/Has God changed?

Nope.

4) Does/Has Jesus changed (besides the obvious)?

Nope.

5) Is the Holy Spirit "raptured" at the same
time as the believers?

No. "Raptured" means to get a glorified body without
dying. The Holy Spirit doesn't need a body.

6) Who are the 144,000 sealed Jews?

A group of Messanic Jews from the church age
raptured at the pretribulation rapture/resurrection
selected for special service on the earth
during the Tribulation period.

7) Are these 144K Jews evangelists?

The Bible does not say it.
Millionare novel writers say it

8) Is there more than one way or method that one can be saved?

No. Salvation is through Jesus ONLY.

9) Are there different classes of the saved?

No. But count me among the haired saved
(as opposed to the bald saved).

A) Can the Jews be saved outside of Jesus?

No.

B) Is works necessary for salvation?

Yes, the works of Jesus are necessary.
No, the saved individual is saved by the works of Jesus,
not by their own works.

C) Will there be a mass period of evangelism during
the tribulation?

No, for gentiles.
Yes, for Jewish Israeli.

D) Is martyrdom a prerequisite for salvation
during the tribulation?

Yes, for gentiles.
No, for Jewish Israeli.

E) If the Holy Spirit is not here during the tribulation
then how can anyone be saved?

Unanswerable question based on a faulty premesis.
The Holy Spirit will be on earth during
the Tribulation period. However, the
Church Age (Time of the Gentiles) saints will
no be available to witness guided by the Holy
Spirit. There will be Jewish/Israeli elect saints
(especially the 144,000) who will be witnessing.

F) Can God protect His children on the earth from His wrath?

Yes.

10) Are those mentioned throughout the NT as elect
the Jews or the Church?

Yes. (in other word /I.E./ Both.

11) What are the moral implications on pre-tribbers
if they are wrong and the Lord comes at the
end of the tribulation only once?

None. The whole idea of every eschatological teaching
should be to encourage holy living NOW.

12) Does my belief in a post-trib return of our Lord affect
or negate my "rapture" at the beginning of the tribulation?

No. Only your personal relation to the Savior: Messiah Jesus.

13) Do you believe that only spiritual Christians
will be "raptured" out at the beginning of the
tribulation, leaving non-spiritual ones here?

Nope. I'm an ALL or NONE pretribulation rapturist.

14) Do you believe that since the word "church"
is not found between Revelation 4 and 21 the church
is not on the earth?

Yes, the gentile church-age church is not found.
The Jewish Israeli chruch is found after the
mid=trib crises

15) Since the early church fathers (ECFs) did not
believe in a pre-trib "rapture" did that affect
their salvation?

If your premesis is true, it did not affect their
salvation.

16) Which is superior, the English translations,
or the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?

The translations written in the language
that i understand: 20th century English.
The nKJV is the best, but NIV, NASB, NLT
contain the written word of God: the Holy Bible.

17) Do you believe the tribulation will be pre-mil,
post-mil, or a-mil?

pre-mil

18) Are the church-age saints (those today)
considered the Bride of Christ?

Yes.

19) Are the OT saints considered part of the Bride of Christ?

Yes.

1A) Are the trib-saints considered part of the Bride of Christ?

Yes.

1B) Are the Jews who are saved after the tribulation
saved outside of the blood of Christ?

No.

1C) Why are people saying today "Where is the
promise of His return?" (Fulfilling
the scripture: 2 Peter 3:4 And saying,
Where is the promise of his coming?
for since the fathers fell asleep,
all things continue as they were from
the beginning of the creation.)

They don't see God's mercy toward them.

1D) Can you, as a pre-tribulationist, afford to be wrong?

Yes. Trusting Jesus is a higher calling than
one's x-trib position. The same actions i call for
to be Rapture Ready in the church age are the actions needed for
a postribulation rapture.

1E) What are the implications on you, your family,
your friends, your church, should pre-trib be proven wrong?

They will probably be disapointed in me that i
didn't see that God had blessed them with the
gift of martyrdom.

1F) Can you quote a verse for us that says,
in the words of Christ, Peter, John, Paul,
whoever, "After that tribulation I will gather my church."?

No. But i have a concordance.
Want me to look it up?

20) You said you've been studying the Word for 50 years.
Did you arrive at pre-trib on your own,
or did you first discover it in the writings
of Lindsay/Pentecost/Kirban/Scofield/Ryrie/LaHaye/Walvoord/Larkin, et.al.?

None of the above.
The minister at the church where i was saved
taught a pretribulation rapture/resurrection.
I was 8-years-old. I believed what he said.
After that i read the Bible. Never did find
anything in the Bible contradicting the Pretribulation
Rapture.

Nice questions, Brother /1998 name suppressed/.
And your answers are?
Note that i will probably not respond to your answers
unless i feel i will have something of encouragement
to add an ongoing discussion.

 

[Ed Edwards]

4) How are these Remnants glorifying God?

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven

(that was Revelation 11-13)

The way Jewish/Israeli elect saints give glory to the
God of heaven:

1. Reading the Holy Word: the Israeli Old Covenant
and the Israeli New Covenant. Note
Testament = Covenant.

2. Standing with holy hands lifted up saying good
things about what Hashem has done and what
HE IS (i.e. the I AM). This includes saying memorized
passages of scripture. Jewish/Israeli elect saints
are really good at memorizing scripture -- are you
Gentiles that way also?

5) What is the meaning of Remnants? Are they newly saved?

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Doesn't Remnants mean the people who existed before
an event but left behind the event?

During the mid-tribulation crisis, the Antichrist /indwelt with Satan/
enters the completed Temple (probably for the dedication)
and declares himself as God. Then the majority of
the Jewish/Israeli will leave Jerusalem under God's wing
unto the wilderness. Apparenly a small group (7,000) will be
selected for the special gift of marytrdom and be left in
Jerusalem when the two witnesses get resurrected into
heaven. Some people say that with the two witnesses, the
Old Testament Jewish/Israeli elect saints, will be resurrected
at this time. I don't find enough information in my Bible
to declare that, but it sounds like something God might do,
if He wants to do it.

Doesn't Remnants mean the people who existed before
an event but left behind the event?

yes
The Remnant is those Jewish/Israeli elect saints
left behind in Jerusalem at the mid-Tribulation crisis.

 

[Eliyahu]

(that was Revelation 11-13)

The way Jewish/Israeli elect saints give glory to the
God of heaven:

1. Reading the Holy Word: the Israeli Old Covenant
and the Israeli New Covenant. Note
Testament = Covenant.

2. Standing with holy hands lifted up saying good
things about what Hashem has done and what
HE IS (i.e. the I AM). This includes saying memorized
passages of scripture. Jewish/Israeli elect saints
are really good at memorizing scripture -- are you
Gentiles that way also?



During the mid-tribulation crisis, the Antichrist /indwelt with Satan/
enters the completed Temple (probably for the dedication)
and declares himself as God. Then the majority of
the Jewish/Israeli will leave Jerusalem under God's wing
unto the wilderness. Apparenly a small group (7,000) will be
selected for the special gift of marytrdom and be left in
Jerusalem when the two witnesses get resurrected into
heaven. Some people say that with the two witnesses, the
Old Testament Jewish/Israeli elect saints, will be resurrected
at this time. I don't find enough information in my Bible
to declare that, but it sounds like something God might do,
if He wants to do it.

yes
The Remnant is those Jewish/Israeli elect saints
left behind in Jerusalem at the mid-Tribulation crisis.

1. Even in the previous post, this portion of questions were not answered, and this post is not clear to clarify the questions about how the Gentiles started to believe the Lord.
You must explain how the gentiles from all the nations all over the world start to believe in a short time. Have you ever seen such conversion of millions of people despite the prohibition of preaching the Gospel?

2. You must explain how Jewish people started to believe the Lord, Messiah without Preachers after the Rapture of all the believers. Read Romans 10:14. No one can believe the Gospel without a preacher ! Imagine Nobody among the believers is left behind the Rapture.

3. Is the faith formed within a short time? I am asking about the faith to overcome the Beast and Harlot. Is such strong faith to withstand the Anti-Christ formed without any preachers within a short time?

4. Are you saying that millions of Believers are saved within 3 and a half years?

5. How can you say that the people are saved from all over the world while the Bible says the people do not repent of their deeds ( Re 9:20-21, Re 16:9-11)
Bible is saying people are more stubborn than ever before and do not repent, but you are saying millions of people are repenting from all over the world, from all nations, starting to believe without preachers.

How can you explain that?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Rev 20:4-5 (KJV1611 Edition):
And I saw thrones, and they sate vpon them, and iudgement
was giuen vnto them:
&
I saw the soules of them that were
beheaded for the witnesse of Iesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had receiued his marke vpon their foreheads,
or in their hands; and they liued and reigned with
Christ a thousand yeeres.
5 But the rest of the dead liued not againe vntill
the thousand yeeres were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

The wrong doctrine:

FIRST = ONE AND ONLY ONE
so there is one and only resurrection of the two groups
shown in Revelation 20:4.

The correct doctrine:
FIRST means the groups that come before the latter groups.
(the ampersand '&' here shows two seperate sets of people)
First does not mean 'ONE AND ONLY ONE'.
The first to be resurrected are the just through Messiah
Jesus - those that have been saved by Messiah Jesus -
two groups - Gentiles & Jewish/Israeli

" I saw thrones, and they sate vpon them, and iudgement
was giuen vnto them: "

that was group #1 -- the Church Age (mostly Gentile but some
Messanic Jews /Jews who beleive that Jesus is their Messiah)
Born-Again, Redeemed, elect saints

"I saw the soules of them that were
beheaded for the witnesse of Iesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had receiued his marke vpon their foreheads,
or in their hands"

These are group #2: The Israeli/Jewish elect saints

The Church Age (Time of the Gentiles)
/incluldes all 7 churches of Revelation 1&2/
is a pause between the 69th and 70th week of
Daniel to save a Maximum number of Gentiles.

God promised Abraham when he was still Abram:

Gen 12:3 (KJV1611 Edition):
And I will blesse them that blesse thee,
and curse him, that curseth thee:
and in thee shal all families of the earth be blessed.

This promise first came true when Jesus Rose from the
Dead. This promise comes true again throughout
the Church Age (Time of the Gentiles)

By Contrast, The Tribulation period is for
Jewish/Israeli chose elect saints - to save a
maximum number of the Jewish/Israeli IAW:

Rom 11:25-26 (KJV1611 Edition):
For I would not, brethren, that ye should bee ignorant
of this mysterie (least yee should bee wise
in your owne conceits) that blindnesse
in part is happened to Israel,
vntill the fulnes of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saued, as it is written,
There shall come out of Sion the Deliuerer,
and shall turne away vngodlinesse from Iacob.

the fulnes of the Gentiles be come in is when the
Church Age, Age of Grace, Fulness of the Gentiles,
Time of the Gentiles is done - at the pretribulation
rapture/resurrection of the Church Age, born-again,
redeemed, chosen elect saints are caught up
from this Earth taken out of this
earth BY JESUS, or fall away from this earth into
the hands of Messiah Jesus and taken to heaven.


As Paul said for God:
that blindnesse
in part is happened to Israel,
vntill the fulnes of the Gentiles be come in.

As I said:
the time of the Gentiles

As Paul said for God:
26 And so all Israel shall be saued,

As I said:
the Tribulation Period

 

[Ed Edwards]

4. Are you saying that millions of Believers
are saved within 3 and a half years?

I'm saying that if the pretribualtion rapture/resurrection
takes place today that some EIGHTEEN MILLION
Jewish/Israeli will be saved in 3½-DAYS!

\o/ Glory to Hashem \o/
\o/ Praise Messiah Yeshua \o/

Those 3½ days will be when the Two Witnesses
(very likely Moses & Elijah, or maybe
Enoch & Elijah - who who never died).
are dead. and those 3½ days will be
3½ years from the beginning of the Tribulation
Period and 3½ years* before the Second Coming.

* ( it could be slitely shorter than 3½ years
else all flesh might be destroyed)

In the Mid-Tribualtion Crisis, when
the Antichrist goes into the Temple and
declares that he is God (on international TV,
watched by the 4 Billion {2/3
of 6 Billion} left on earth at that time) --
nearly all Jewish/Israeli on the earth will
see not the phony-messiah but the real-messiah,
the corner stone that was rejected --
Messiah Jesus is the real-messiah -- an
thus all Israel shall be saved.
Note they get saved by Believing that
God raised Jesus from the dead and proclaiming
that Jesus is Lord - just like goy get saved
today - just like Messanic Jews get saved today.

Don't need a bunch of so-called Dispensational
smoke of mirrors -- Just the Best Savior
ever: Messiah Yeshua Ben-Yoseph Ben-David
Ben-Yisrael Ben-Hashem.

\o/ Glory to Hashem \o/
\o/ Praise Messiah Yeshua \o/

\o/ = old fashioned smilie showing
a human head and the raising of
holy hands to G-d and giving Him
the Glory & Praise that is His due = \o/

Here is the Baptist version : \o
(raising holy HAND to G-d and giving Him
the Glory & Praise that is His due)

 

[Eliyahu]

I'm saying that if the pretribualtion rapture/resurrection
takes place today that some EIGHTEEN MILLION
Jewish/Israeli will be saved in 3½-DAYS!

Fantastic !

You are proving the Bible Romans 10:14 is WRONG !

You are proving the Aposlte Paul and other disciples were stupid to waste time so much in preaching the gospel to their own nations relying on 1 Cor 1:21.

You prove that God was stupid too, wasting so much time in delivering the human race, wasting 6,000 years. 1 week will be enough to preach the Gospel and save 7 billion people, maybe even in 7 minutes !

 

[Ed Edwards]

God can't use TV preachers?

 

[Eliyahu]

God can't use TV preachers?

Who is going to be on TV after Rapture of all the church members, the true Christian believers?

Do you expect the Anti-Christ will allow TV's to air the preaching sermons?

Then it is not the Tribulation at all.

 

[peterotto]

Dispensationalist thinking.
---------------------------
In Rev 6-7, 25% of the world will die. But, in Zech 13:8-9, Israel will lose 66%.
As you can see it is safer to be outside of Israel when the Tribualtion starts. So why do Dispensationalist support Christian groups to move Jews back to Israel? It seems to me, if they really
cared about the Jews, they would tell them not to go to Israel.



Rev 6:7-8
6:7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the fourth living creature saying, "Come and see!"

6:8 And behold, a pale horse, and he who sat on it, his name was Death. Hades followed with him. Authority over one fourth of the earth, to kill with the sword, with famine, with death, and by the wild animals of the earth was given to him.


Zechariah 13:8, 9
In the whole land," declares the LORD,
"two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it. 9 This third I will bring into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, 'They are my people,'
and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.' "

 

[BobRyan]

2. If the Believers are raptured. how can the Beast come up and make war with the Saints?

The Beast makes a war with the saints in Re 13. If the Saints were already raptured, how could the Beast make the War with the Saints? Didn't they exist before ?

Re 13

Indeed "The saints" are shown in Rev 12 to be struggling with the beast even from the time of Christ.

Point well made.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Doesn't this mean that even at that time, there will be the believers who names are written in the Book of Life?

Yes. No change.

Good point.

3) How are these believers saved?
Re 12
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time

4) How are these Remnants glorifying God?

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven

True they are saved - as all saints in all ages.

5) What is the meaning of Remnants? Are they newly saved?

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Doesn't Remnants mean the people who existed before an event but left behind the event?

These are those faithful to God and they remnant "what is left" after the persecution of the 1260 years identified in Rev 12 (the dark ages).

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

1. The pretrib rapture is not found in all of scripture.

2. the pretrib rapture flatly contradicts the sequence given in both Matt 24 and in Rev 19-20

3. The pretrib rapture completely ignores the "great tribulation" in Matt 24 that took place for century after century in the darks ages that followed Matt 24.

4. The pretrib rapture is a recent invention from a doctrinal historic point of view.

5. Once you see that the "FIRST Resurrection" in Rev 20 is in fact REALLY the "FIRST resurrection" as John looks to the future - there is no possibility of a pre-trib rapture.

This also fits perfectly with 1Thess 4 where "The Dead in Christ rise FIRST".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[steaver]

1. The pretrib rapture is not found in all of scripture.

I found it! Look a little deeper. :thumbs:

God Bless!

 

[peterotto]

I found it! Look a little deeper. :thumbs:

God Bless!

Great! Answer some questions for me.

If "like manner" is exactly how Jesus would return as he left in Acts 1:11, does that means Jesus left riding a white horse (Revelation 19:11) ?

If "like manner" is exactly how Jesus would return as he left in Acts 1:11, does that mean Jesus left with a sword coming out of his mouth (Revelation 19:15) ?

Please dig deep to get the answers.
Thanks

 

[Eliyahu]

I found it! Look a little deeper. :thumbs:

God Bless!

Simply speaking, you must explain how so many Believers came out of the Tribulation as in Re 7:9-20 without preachers after the Rapture of the whole church.
Remember that No salvation is possible without the preachers ( Ro 10:14)

How will they start? Will they invite the ghosts?

Why didn't God use such method before?

 

[Ed Edwards]

1. The pretrib rapture is not found in all of scripture.

I found it! Look a little deeper. :thumbs:

God Bless!

Amen, Brother Steaver -- Preach it!
I found it!
It is there dozens of time.
And the post-tribulation rapture/resurrection is
also there a couple of times
(which confuses post-tribbers no end )
What one cannot find in the Bible is that
God is NOT limited to one-and-one-one rapture
or one-and-only-one resurrection of masses of
His People. Anybody who knows the first
think about 'first' should know that 'first'
does not mean 'one-and-only-one.

 

[Eliyahu]

Amen, Brother Steaver -- Preach it!
I found it!
It is there dozens of time.
And the post-tribulation rapture/resurrection is
also there a couple of times
(which confuses post-tribbers no end )
What one cannot find in the Bible is that
God is NOT limited to one-and-one-one rapture
or one-and-only-one resurrection of masses of
His People. Anybody who knows the first
think about 'first' should know that 'first'
does not mean 'one-and-only-one.

You couldn't answer my questions though.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I came out of Vietnam in the middle 1970s.
I had all of the same benifits as those who went
through, into, by Vietnam.
I never when there (I kept track of cargo planes going
there ).

Greek 'ex' or 'ek' can also mean 'over',
'through' 'into' 'without'. ex here is translated
'out of'

Rev 7:13-16 (KJV1611 Edition):
And one of the Elders answered, saying vnto mee, What are these which are arayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said vnto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and haue washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lambe.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serue him day and night in his Temple: and hee that sitteth on the Throne shal dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more, neither shall the Sunne light on them, nor any heate.

'They who came out of the Great Tribulation'
are the Old Testament & New Testament saints -
those who were raptured and resurrected right out the great tribualtion
and right into heaven right before the Tribulation.
Hence, another proof text for the Pretribulation rapture/resurrection.

 

[Ed Edwards]

You couldn't answer my questions though.

I'm typing as fast as I can. :type:

 

[Ed Edwards]

...

Why didn't God use such method before?

He didn't let humans invent movies yet.

How else can He have everybody see Jesus
Coming at the Grand Second Coming when
Jesus comes with the armies of heaven
all on white horses (BTW, millions of white-robed
Church Age Saints on white horses will look
like clouds coming -- if the TV camera showing all this
is nearby Jerusalem. The whole world will see it
on TV.