Pre-tribulation rapture

[Ed Edwards]

I can show from Scriptures:

1 Coming of Christ (Greek: the Chosen One of God)
or the Messiah (Hebrew: the Anointed one of God)
[the Jewish Israeli still belive this one coming]

Two Comings of Messiah: once to die and be resurrected;
again to catch up the Church Age Saints & to destroy
evil & to set up the Millinnial Mesanic Kingdom

Three Comings of Messiah Jesus:
1. As a babe in the manger & to die on the cross &
to be resurrected by God
2. To get the Church Age saints before the Tribulation
3. To kick bad Antichrist booty & to set up the Millinnial
Mesanic Kingdom.

Four Comings of Messiah Jesus:
1. From Heaven to be born as a babe in the manger
---& to die on the cross
2. From Hell to be Resurrected by God
3. To get the Church Age saints before the Tribulation
4. To kick bad Antichrist booty & to set up the Millinnial
--- Mesanic Kingdom.

All true, none contradictory, need I write a document
called "the Five Comings of Messiah"?

 

[BobRyan]

Count the "number of comings of Christ" that HE points us to in John 14.

"If I go... I WILL come again and receive you to myself" John 14.

That's right - only one in that promise.

And as Peter states in 1Peter 1 "Fix your hope COMPLETELY" on that singular event - that promise fulfilled as stated by Christ.

This is WHY we see the NT authors focus on that event in Matt 24, in 1Cor 15, in 1Thess 4, in 2Thess 2, In Rev 20 -- they all focus on that one singular "FOCUS" of the NT church (as Peter describes it).

This is the key to unraveling the pre-trib rapture tradition and distinguishing it from scripture.

The result is that there is not ONE text in all of scripture describing "Pre-Trib Rapture".

No not even one.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Pretribulation Rapture doctrine is a comfortable, positive, and even, it is popular among religions today. Itself teaching us that we shall never suffer the persecutions, we will escape from the coming great tribulation by rapture. There is no promise in Bible that we shall escape from persecutions, tribulations and trials. Acts 14:22 tells us, we MUST go through MUCH tribulation into the kingdom. 'Into the kingdom' speaks of eternal life at the end same as Matt. 7:14, we are in the spiritual warfare on the narrow road. We are facing temptations, trials, tribulations daily. Early Church already faced persecutions and tribulations. Millions were killed by persecutions. There is no 'pretribulation' in Bible. Also, there is no two future comings in Bible. Bible tells us, Christ shall come again at once at the end of the world.

Also, 'The wrath of God' is not mean of 'great tribulation'. Romans 5:9; John 3:36; and 1 Thess. 1:10, all of thse are not speak of supposed future so called, 'seven year of Tribulation period', or neither it is so called, "Daniel 70th Week" either. These passages are speak of punishment send to everlasting fire for not believing in Christ, and remain in sins.

Revelation 4:1 doesn't mentioned of second coming, neither it say of gathering, resurrection, descending of Christ. Rev. 4:1-2 speak of John's vision, that he saw only angel in the heaven, and anegl told to John alone, to come up here and to show him the future things. So, John's spirit was caught up as 'revelation', that the angel shew John to see the things. Rev. 4:1-2 have do nothing with rapture or second coming either.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[peterotto]

Pretribulation Rapture doctrine is a comfortable, positive, and even, it is popular among religions today.

Great post! :thumbs:
Do you really think they will listen?

I agree that the doctine is not found anywhere in the Bible, that is why I ask PTR people where did they pick up the theology.

I really think you are talking to a brick wall. They are not listening.

As for dispensationalism being positive, in what sense?
Post-Mill are optimistic people, the PTR are pessimistic (world is getting worse and worse, blah blah blah).

 

[Ed Edwards]

Pretribulation Rapture doctrine is a comfortable, positive, and even, it is popular among religions today. Itself teaching us that we shall never suffer the persecutions, we will escape from the coming great tribulation by rapture.

that we shall never suffer the
persecutions ... "

The pretribulation rapture doctrine does NOT
say or teach" ... that we shall never suffer the
persecutions ... "

The teaching of PTR on persecution & tribulation
is found in this thread at post #54 on this page:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=42747&page=6

Jesus says: John 16:33 (KJV1611 Edition):
These things I haue spoken vnto you,
that in me ye might haue peace, in the world
ye shall haue tribulation: but be of good cheare,
I haue ouercome the world.

Acts 14:22 tells us, we MUST
go through MUCH tribulation into the kingdom.
'Into the kingdom' speaks of eternal life at the end
same as Matt. 7:14, we are in the spiritual warfare
on the narrow road. We are facing temptations, trials,
tribulations daily. Early Church already faced
persecutions and tribulations. Millions were killed by persecutions.

Amen, Brother DeafPosttrib -- Preach it!

Over 38 Million Christians have been martyred
and others suffered greatly.
So far you have yet to admit there is a difference
between 'a tribulation' and 'the Tribulation Period'

There is no 'pretribulation' in Bible.
Also, there is no two future comings in Bible.
Bible tells us, Christ shall come again at once
at the end of the world.

RIGHT once, WRONG three times.

1. RIGHT: the word 'pretribulation' isn't in the Bible.
I get all my pretribulation rapture/resurrection doctrine
right out of the Bible. 'Before (pre) and After (post)
are really not THAT hard to figure.

2. WRONG - not just one future coming of Jesus.
There are two, maybe three future comings of
Messiah Jesus in the Bible.

3. WRONG: "The Bible tells us" - actually it doesn't .
It tells that the physical world continues on after Jesus comes.

4. WRONG: the Physical world stops when Jesus comes.
You sacrifice (kill, murder) The 20th Chapter of Revelation
that talks about an 1,000 years in which the physical
world continues and is Ruled by Messiah Yeshua --
you kill the 20th Chapter of Revelation so 2 Peter 3:10
can be misunderstood.

2 Peter 3:10 (KJV1611 Edition):
But the day of the Lord will come as a thiefe in the night,
in the which the heauens shall passe away
with a noyse, and the elements shall melt
with heate, and the earth with the workes
that are therein, shalbe burnt vp.

As in all Bible Prophecy, 'day' means 'the appropriate time'.
Here 'day of the Lord' means the appropriate time
for Lord Jesus to complete the Second Coming,
destroy the Antichrist & set up the Millennial Messanic
Kingdom. During the whole 1,000 years of the Millennial
Messanic Kingdom -- the physical earth shall still
exist as Revelation 20 says.

The Lord is one day going to come and get the church age
saints at the 'END OF THE WORLD'. Here 'end of the world'
actually means 'end of the ( current church) age'.
The 'world' in some translations is 'aeon' /from which we get
our word 'eon' - a long time/ and means 'age'
not 'world'.

A second opinion: 'world' refers to human organization.
That kind of world will end when Jesus comes again.
But it is hard for people to give up what they think
'world' means when it obviously means something else.

 

[BobRyan]

you are right about one thing Jesus will "Come AGAIN and RECEIVE us to Himself"

John 14 makes it very clear



In John 14 – John tells us of THE PROMISED second coming event.

John 14

1 ""Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
2 ""In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
3 ""If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again AND receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.[/b]

Here we see two things – two events

• “I GO and prepare a place”
• 2. I WILL come again and RECEIVE you unto Myself

Peter tells us that this single event – THE fulfillment of the John 14 promise is THE event that all NT saints and writers focus upon.

1Peter 1
6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials,
7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.


10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries,
11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.[/b]
12 It was [b]revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you[/b], in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you[/b] by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven things into which angels long to look.
13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, [b]fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.[/b]


In his second letter Peter tells us that he considers it right to continually remind us of this SINGLE focus event!

2 Peter 1
12 Therefore, [b]I will always be ready to remind[/b] you of these things, even [b]though you already know them[/b], and have been established in the truth which is present with you.
13 [b]I consider it right[/b], as long as I am in this earthly dwelling, to stir you up by way of reminder,[/b]


John speaks of that SAME promise again in full detail – describing it’s fulfillment in a two chapter detailed sequence in Rev 19-20.

It is the “FIRST resurrection” that of the “blessed and Holy”

 

[Ed Edwards]

Your understanding of John 14
is very much like a one-sided knife.
Needless to say - a one-sided knife is
impossible and won't cut nuthing

I can't think of a similie for not knowing
that FIRST can include a set of things.

I can think of FOUR time-seperated (well three different days)
resurrections in the FIRST RESURRECTION (the resurrection of
the JUST /in Christ/ )
It is posted earlier in this topic.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Ed,

Future three comings?

Scriptures please.

2 Peter 3:10 is very clear speak of second coming at the end of this age. This verse doesn't saying dual comings. This is speak of future second coming.

There is not a single verse find anywhere in Bible show a hint that, there is dual comings or dual gatherings.

Matthew chapter 13, Matthew 24:29-31; Matt. 25:31-46; Revelation 14:14-20; Revelation chapter 19, all of these passages show us there shall be the only one future final coming at the end of this present age.

Pretribulationism is a flaw and fallacy, because it have no proof and fundamental doctrine. Pretribulationism is an itching ear teaching, to make them feel comfortbale. The purpose of teaching pretribulationism doctrine to the congregations, to make money rather than truths from the Bible.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[BobRyan]

Your understanding of John 14
is very much like a one-sided knife.
Needless to say - a one-sided knife is
impossible and won't cut nuthing

I can't think of a similie for not knowing
that FIRST can include a set of things.

I can think of FOUR time-seperated (well three different days)
resurrections in the FIRST RESURRECTION (the resurrection of
the JUST /in Christ/ )
It is posted earlier in this topic.

Jesus said "I GO to PREPARE a Place for you" IN My Father's house.

As much as some would like to insist this is vague non-specific and might be "a bunch of leavings" -- it is only one -- it is Christ going to heaven after His resurrection.

Jesus then said "IF I GO ... I WILL COME AGAIN and RECEIVE YOU unto Myself IN ORDER THAT WHERE I AM THERE you may BE also"

As much as some woud like to pretend he was talking about his resurrection (coming back from the GRAVE to RECEIVE THEM after preparing a place for them in the GRAVE???) it is in fact talking about "HIS COMING" that was FUTURE to the John 14 statement and that was subsequent to HIS work IN HIS FATHER's house (heaven) from which WE ALL eagerly await His "return".

This is incredibly obvious and so much so that I notice you make no attempt to exegete John 14 to show that it is anything else Ed.

But come on - you can not blame us all for seeing that this John 14 is the undoing of the Pre-trib Ratpure idea.

As said before there is not even ONE SINGLE TEXT showng the pre-trib rapture -- no not even ONE.

Why not come on over to the Bible side on this one - the logic and reasoning from scripture works a lot better here - no contradictions and you get to use solid Bible exegesis to boot! What is not to like??


John 14

1 ""Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
2 ""In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

Does that sound like "My Father's house in the grave before I am resurrected"?? No!
In Fact in John 20 Christ insists that HE HAS NOT YET been to the Father.

3 ""If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again AND receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.[/b]



"Just pointing out the obvious" as it is often my role to do on these boards.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Eliyahu]

This thread was started by a PTR believer assuming that PTR could be easily sold.

However, PTR started from the confusion taking the Wrath of God for the Persecution by the Anti-Christ.

Then nobody has been able to explain how the millions of people, who were not Christian believers overcoming the Persecution in the beginning, started to believe in Jesus Christ during the short time after the Rapture of the whole church, after no believer has left behind after the Rapture, contradicting that nobody can believe without preachers as in Romans 10:14, despite the Bible statements that the people would not repent from their sins, continuing to complain the disasters by the Wrath of God.

Dozens of verses mention that the believers should be patient with the persecutions, enduring the Tribulations, without mentioning any discrimination between the Jews and Gentiles. Another dozens of verses describe that the Believers are enduring the persecutions and will overcome them. If the whole church is raptured, that event must be the biggest one in world history. Where is the explanation for that scene?

This theory is a great hoax cheating and deceiving millions of True Believers. Everyone must be very careful to take the responsibility when they stand in front of Jesus Christ on His Great Day.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

This thread was started by a PTR believer assuming that PTR could be easily sold.

However, PTR started from the confusion taking the Wrath of God for the Persecution by the Anti-Christ.

Then nobody has been able to explain how the millions of people, who were not Christian believers overcoming the Persecution in the beginning, started to believe in Jesus Christ during the short time after the Rapture of the whole church, after no believer has left behind after the Rapture, contradicting that nobody can believe without preachers as in Romans 10:14, despite the Bible statements that the people would not repent from their sins, continuing to complain the disasters by the Wrath of God.

Dozens of verses mention that the believers should be patient with the persecutions, enduring the Tribulations, without mentioning any discrimination between the Jews and Gentiles. Another dozens of verses describe that the Believers are enduring the persecutions and will overcome them. If the whole church is raptured, that event must be the biggest one in world history. Where is the explanation for that scene?

This theory is a great hoax cheating and deceiving millions of True Believers. Everyone must be very careful to take the responsibility when they stand in front of Jesus Christ on His Great Day.

When the believers disappear, it will cause great consternation in those left behind. They will wonder why these people are missing, and of those missing there will be enough information left behind to show many the way of salvation.

Before you can even think about getting into eschatology though, you need to be properly settled on the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. My offer still stands to help you with this.


BGTF

 

[Eliyahu]

When the believers disappear, it will cause great consternation in those left behind. They will wonder why these people are missing, and of those missing there will be enough information left behind to show many the way of salvation.

Finally, you have proven that Romans 10:14 is wrong!

Millions of unbelievers were shocked and repented and miraculously accepted the Lord Jesus without preachers, though Bible said they don't repent from their sins, repeatedly.

Before you can even think about getting into eschatology though, you need to be properly settled on the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. My offer still stands to help you with this.
BGTF

Do I have to accept your heresy departing from the Words of God?
You can show me any verse supporting your claim, though I presented many verses convincing the errors of PTR.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Finally, you have proven that Romans 10:14 is wrong!

Millions of unbelievers were shocked and repented and miraculously accepted the Lord Jesus without preachers, though Bible said they don't repent from their sins, repeatedly.



Do I have to accept your heresy departing from the Words of God?
You can show me any verse supporting your claim, though I presented many verses convincing the errors of PTR.

Would you like to learn who the Lord Jesus Christ is or not?

BGTF

 

[Eliyahu]

Would you like to learn who the Lord Jesus Christ is or not?

BGTF

I know Him, I know He is the Son of God, my redeemer and Savior.

I don't need to yield to your heresy to know Him.

Even though you are saved and sound in many other doctrines, you are drunken with wrong fallacy in Eschatology and need to wake up from there.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

I know Him, I know He is the Son of God, my redeemer and Savior.

I don't need to yield to your heresy to know Him.

Even though you are saved and sound in many other doctrines, you are drunken with wrong fallacy in Eschatology and need to wake up from there.

Who raised Christ from the dead?

BGTF

 

[Ed Edwards]

O.T. Mysteries --> N.T. Revelations -- page 1 of 2

The New Testament Mysteries point to
the veracity of the pretrib rapture position.
(for the definition of 'Mystery' here
see Mystery #5 and the scripture at Eph 3:5).
The New Testament Mysteries also relate
the pretrib rapture to the other Great Doctrines:

1. Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven

Matthew 12:10-11 (nKJV):
10. And the disciples came and said to Him,
"Why do you speak to them in parables?"
11. He answered and said to them, "Because it
has been given to you to know THE MYSTERIES
OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, but to them it has
not been given.

The parables of the Kingdom of Heaven are
given in Matthew 13:3-50 and in Mark 4:26-29

I believe the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven
describe the Church Age. The Church Age
goes from Pentacost to Rapture/resurrection/transformation.
During that age the Holy Spirit moves among
humans convicting of sin, and calling humans
to salvation through Jesus, the Christ.
This period in HIS-story can also be called
"the age of the gentiles".

2. Mystery of Israel's blindness in the Church Age

Romans 11:25-26a (nKJV):
For I do not desire, brethren, that you
should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you
should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness
in part has happened to Israel until the
fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26. And so all Israel will be saved,

I've had several interesting discussions
with Messianic Jews. They are thrilled at the
prospects that when the last possible gentile
(Hebrew: "goy") comes to accept Jesus, the Messiah,
as their personal savior -- then will Jesus
resurrect/rapture/transform the saved to that time.
Then will come the Tribulation, with the purpose
of Jesus finally winning the Jews unto Himself.


3. Mystery of the Rapture

1 Chrinthians 15:51a (NIV):
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep,
but we will all be changed -- ...

1 Thessalonians 4:14,16

Titus 2:13 (nKJV):
looking for the blessed hope and
glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jeus
Christ

Of course, such a rapture must be pretrib
when 100s of millions of saints are still alive,
for after the tribulation there will only be a few
handfuls of living saints.


4. Mystery of His Will

Ephesians 1:9-12 (NIV)
And he made known to us the mystery of his will according
to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,
10 to be put into effect when the times will have
reached their fulfillment -- to bring all things
in heaven and on earth together under one head,
even Christ.
11 In him we were also chosen, having
been predestined according to the plan of him who
works out everything in conformity with
the purpose of his will,
12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in
Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.

May God's will be done!

From Eternity past God has intended
to bring all things together in Christ.

This joining inclues the gentile church and
the race of Yisrael. At the pretribulation
rapture Jesus takes the gentile church out
of the world, and then uses the Tribulation
to bring Yisrael back to Him.


5. Mystery of Christ:
the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel

Ephesians 3:2-12 (NIV):

2 Surely you have heard about the administration
of God's grace that was given to me for you,
3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation,
as I have already written briefly.
4 In reading this, then, you will be able
to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,
5 which was not made known to men in other generations
as it has now been revealed by the Spirit
to God's holy apostles and prophets.
6 This mystery is that through the gospel
the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel,
members together of one body, and sharers
together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
7 I became a servant of this gospel by the
gift of God's grace given me through the working
of his power.
8 Although I am less than the least of all God's
people, this grace was given me: to preach to
the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make plain to everyone the administration
of this mystery, which for ages past was
kept hidden in God, who created all things.
10 His intent was that now, through the church,
the manifold wisdom of God should be made
known to the rulers and authorities in
the heavenly realms,
11 according to his eternal purpose
which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 In him and through faith in him
we may approach God with freedom and confidence.

This is interesting because both verse 5 and 9
define "mystery".

The gentile church and the race of Yisrael
are joint heirs of God's promise to Abraham.
At the pretribulation rapture Jesus takes the gentile church

out
of the world, and then He uses the Tribulation
to bring Yisrael back to Him.

BTW, Ephesians 3:2 the word "administration"
in the NIV is rendered "dispensation"
in the KJV1769.


6. Mystery of Church the Bride of Christ

Ephesians 4:30b-33 (NIV):

for we are members of his body.
31 "For this reason a man will leave his father
and mother and be united to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh."
32 This is a profound mystery--but I
am talking about Christ and the church.
33 However, each one of you also must
love his wife as he loves himself,
and the wife must respect her husband

Revelation 19: (NIV):

Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8 Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear."
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)

Does Jesus take his Bride out of the world
before the "wedding of the Lamb" (pretrib)
or after the "wedding of the Lamb" (postrib)?


7. Mystery of the Indwelling Christ in Believers

John 15:4 (NIV)
Remain in me, and I will remain in you.
No branch can bear fruit by itself;
it must remain in the vine.
Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

Galations 2:20 (NIV)
I have been crucified with Christ and I no
longer live, but Christ lives in me.
The life I live in the body, I live
by faith in the Son of God, who loved me
and gave himself for me.

Philippians 1:21 (NIV)
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Colossians 1:25-26 (NIV)
the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages
and generations, but is now disclosed
to the saints.
27 To them God has chosen to make known
among the Gentiles the glorious
riches of this mystery, which is
Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Woah! Christianity has the other mystery religions
beatten hands down! Christ who is God dwells
within each saint!

What glory is there in the Pretribulation Rapture?
ALL GLORY!

What glory is there in dragging into the Tribulation?

 

[Ed Edwards]

O.T. Mysteries --> N.T. Revelations -- page 2 of 2

8. Mystery of God, Even Christ

Colossians 2:2b (nKJV):
attaining to all riches
of the full assurance of understanding, to the
knowledge of the mystery of God, both of
the Father and of Christ,

1 Chrinthians 2:7 (nKJV):
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery,
the hidden wisdom which God ordained
before the ages for our glory.

Interesting, "before the ages". Well, then if
this wisdom of God was before the ages, it is
certainly before the Church Age.
And the infinite knowledge of God is incarnate
in Christ. And the infinite wisdome of God
which was incarnate in Christ is "for our glory".

How is it for our glory, we the saints of the Living
God, if have to go through the Tribulation period
as some nay-sayers promote?


9. Mystery of Inquity/Lawlessness

This mystery deals with Satan's ongoing
master plan to bring forth the Antichrist
in the End Times, yet the outcome is clear.
Will Jesus let His Church be around when
the Antichrist is punished on the earth?

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8a (nKJV):
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at
work; only He who now restrains will do so
until He is taken out of the way.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, ... "

Interesting, this mystery is explained in the
pretribulation rapture book of the Bible:
2 Thessalonians. We repeat the timeline shown
in 2 Thessalonians that is clearly specified there:

1. The Church Age (with it's tribulation)
2. Day of Christ:
-2a. falling away; our gathering together to Him;
--removal of the restrainer
-2b. the revelation of the man of sin
-2c. the period of deception; the Tribulation
-2d. the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
-2e. the destruction of the man of sin

2 Thessalonians 3:2 (nKJV):
But the Lord is faithful, who will establish
you and guard you from the evil one.

And this is all summed up in one word:

'\o/' Maranatha! '\o/'


10. Mystery of Godliness

1 Timothy 3:16 (nKJV):
And without controversy great
is the mystery of Godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

And that is just what God had done up
to the time of the writing.
Later He will:

Rapture the Church, the Bride of Christ
Marry the Church in Heaven (Tribulation on earth)
Return to earth at the Second Advent
Destroy the Antichrist and bind Satan
Rule the earth on the Throne of David.


11. Mystery of the Seven Stars/Candlesticks

Revelation 1:20 (nKJV):
The mystery of the seven stars which you
saw in My right hand, and the seven golden
lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of
the seven churches, and the seven lampstands
which you saw are the seven churches.

Oh yes, Sweet Jesus! The 7-stars,
the 7-golden lampstands -- the Church age
in double completeness.
And when the church on earth is complete,
the Christ, Jesus, will rapture the church.
And the wedding supper of the Lamb will
take place in heaven as the Tribulation
takes place on earth.


12. Mystery, Babylon the Great:

This mystery forcasts the final
world apostate church of
the Tribulation after the Rapture.

Revelation 17:5 (nKJV), emphasis from the source:

And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


13. Mystery of God

This mystery announces the conclusion of God's
program to consummate history during the
the last days of the voice of the seventh angel".

All the mystery prophecies concerning the
Kingdom of Christ will be fulfilled,
relevant to Israel
and the world leading to the reign of the Messiah.

Revelation 10:7 (nKJV):
but in the days of the sounding of the seventh
angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery
of God would be finished, as He declared
to His servants the prophets.

 

[Eliyahu]

Ed,

Why don't you post the whole Bible?

Indeed, you may say the whole Bible tells you the PTR.

Then I can tell you the whole Bible refutes the PTR too. You are wasting the space of this thread.

Does the Mystery mean that PTR will take place ignoring Ro 10:14?

 

[Eliyahu]

BGTF,

Originally Posted by Eliyahu
I know Him, I know He is the Son of God, my redeemer and Savior.

I don't need to yield to your heresy to know Him.

Even though you are saved and sound in many other doctrines, you are drunken with wrong fallacy in Eschatology and need to wake up from there.

Who raised Christ from the dead?

BGTF

Does your question defend your fallacy?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Why don't you post the whole Bible?

Try this topic (don't reply, it is for Baptists only, but you can read it):

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1094365#post1094365