Pre-tribulation rapture

[Ed Edwards]

Eliyahu: //You were confused between the Wrath of God
and the Persecution by the Enemies as many believers are.//

Here is a few notes I made on that subject in the early 1990s:
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John 16:33 (KJV1611 Edition):
These things I haue spoken vnto you,
that in me ye might haue peace, in the world
ye shall haue tribulation: but be of good cheare,
I haue ouercome the world.

Here is my essay from the early 1990s about
Tribulation:

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The Five Tribulations
of the Holy Bible
Contrasted and compared
by ed

The following terms are used in the Holy Bible to denote
tribulation: tribulation, distress, affliction, trouble

1. tribulation due to the human condition
WHO: all the sons and daughters of Adam & Eve
WHAT: heartaches, pains, troubles, distresses, disappointments,
affliction, trouble, ordeal, suffering, wretchedness,
misfortune, worry, care, hardship, agony,
anguish, torment, adversity, torture
travail of a woman giving birth, disease, cancer,
famine, plague, fatigue, depression, etc.
WHEN: From Adam's expulsion from the Garden of Eden
to the day a new heaven & new earth is created by
God, AKA: time as opposed to eternity
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: God only knows why, it is just the way things are,
maybe it has to do with the fall of man in the Garden of Eden?

2. tribulation of Christian Martyrdom
WHO: those Christians chosen by the Holy Spirit for special honor
WHAT: persecution by non-Christians: Pagans, atheists, and
even people who call themselves "Christian" but aren't
WHEN: 33AD to the start of the millennial kingdom of Jesus
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: many are called to follow Jesus;
few are chosen to the honor of the spiritual
gift of martyrdom

3. tribulation of the Jews scattered among the Gentiles
WHO: dispersed among the goy
WHAT: persecution by non-Christians: Pagans, atheists, and
usually people who call themselves "Christian" but aren't
WHEN: during the time of the Gentiles
(from Mount Calvary to Mount Olivet)
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: punishment for rejecting Messiah Jesus

4. "The Tribulation period" of those ruled by the Antichrist
(AKA: Wrath of the Lamb /Revelation 6:17/ )
WHO: citizens of the world
WHAT: a fate worse than death (Rev 6:15-17, Rev 9:6)
WHEN: during the 70th week of Daniel (first half)
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: punishment for rejecting Lord Jesus

5. "The Great Tribulation period" of those ruled by the Antrichrist
WHO: people who take the mark of the beast
WHAT: the wrath of God
WHEN: during the 70th week of Daniel (last half)
WHERE: worldwide
WHY: punishment for rejecting Lord Jesus

Note that #1, #2, and #3 are measured in travail units;
#4 and #5 are measured in time units.

Here are the names/descriptions of the Tribulation
Period found in the O.T.:

The tribulation in Deut 4:30
the day of Israel's calamity in Deut 32:35, Obadiah 1:12-14
the indignation in Isaiah 26:20, Daniel 11:36
the overflowing scourge in Isaiah 28:15,18
The Lord's strange work in Isaiah 28:21
The year of recompense in Isaiah 34:8
The day of vengeance in Isaiah 34:8, 35:4, 61:2
The time of Jacob's Trouble in Jeremiah 30:7
The day of darkness in Joel 2:2, Amos 5:18, 20; Zephaniah 1:15
See also Zephaniah 1:15-16.:
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Things with different who, what, where, when, how
ARE DIFFERENT.

Amen, Brother Ed - Preach it! :thumbs:

 

[Ed Edwards]

peterotto:
//Personally, I like Scripture to interpret Scripture.//

Amen, Brother Peterotto -- Preach it! :thumbs:

I'm a retired Software Engineer.

Here is a pretribulatin rapture interpretation
of Matthew 24 using the template of Matthew 24:3

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Pretribulation view of Matthew 24:

Here is a pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church,
pre-Millinnial Return of Christ,
Futurist understanding of Matthew 24.

In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables in Matthew 24:45 through Matthew 25.

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur
(not in the order in which the questions were asked):

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceeding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. 'Polysyndeton' is a retorical device that uses
(in English) repeated connectors (usually 'and')
instead of an outline. This is most noticable
in the Bible in Genesis 1 and Matthew 24.
I believe the major outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the
Rapture/resurrection which ends the
current church age (gentile age, age of grace,
last days, etc.). It is also mentioned in
2 Thess 2.

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the
church age even up to this time.
Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age.
The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs
that the church age continues.

Note this is different from the eschatology of
Scofield, and Larkin, and LaHaye and Walvoord, etc.
They will say that Matthew is written to Jews and we
gentiles of the Church Age shouldn't read Matthew
that close. Nevertheless, Matthew 24:31 talks about
the same gathering of the saints (AKA: pretribulation
rapture1/Resurrection1) as does 2 Thess 2:1.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Thanks for posting the Scriptures.
I see I, the pretribulation rapturist
read the same Scriptures that the
post-tribulation rapture onlyist.
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\o/ Glory to the Lord \o/

\o/ Praise be to Jesus \o/

2 Thessalonians 2:1 (KJV1873):
Now we beseech you, brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,

Two events mentioned here:
1) the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
2) our gathering together unto him

Titus 2:13 (KJV1873):
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ

Two events mentioned here:
1) blessed hope
2) the glorious appearing of the great God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ

These two events are mentioned seperately
throughout the Bible. The Rapture, which
was a mystery in the O.T. is now mentioned
in the N.T.

Rapture Passages (the gathering, the blessed hope):

Matthew 24:31-44 (in the Mount Olivet Discourse
---/mod/ and parallel passages in Mark 13 & Luke 21)
John 14:1-3
Romans 8:19
1 Corinthians 1:7-8, 15:51-53, 16:22
Philippians 3:20-21, 4:5
Colossians 3:4
1 Thessalonians 1:10, 2:19, 4:13-18, 5:9,23
2 Thessalonians 1:7, 2:1, 2:3
1 Timothy 6:14
2 Timothy 4:1,8
Hebrews 9:28
1 Peter 1:7,13, 5:4
1 John 2:28-3:2
Jude 1:21
Revelation 2:25

Second Advent Passages
(Jesus comes again in power and glory
to defeat the antichrist and set up the
millinnial kingdom):

Daniel 2:44-45, 7:9-14, 12:1-3
Zechariah 12:10, 14:1-15
Matthew 13:41
Matthew 24:15-30, 26:64
Mark 13
Luke 21
Acts 1:9-11, 3:19-21
1 Thessalonians 3:13
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, 2:8
1 Peter 4:12-131
2 Peter 3:1-14
Jude 1:14-15
Revelation 4-19

Amen, Brother Ed - Keep preaching it!

 

[TCGreek]

Ed, Have you read Things To Come by Pentecost? I like to know what you think about it. I'm thinking about buying it. I'm trying to get a handle on Eschatology.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Let's get the easy part out of the way first (I can't believe you are making this claim for John 14 -- this is the limit)

--- game over for pre-trib

Here is the text -

John 14

1 ""Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
2 ""In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
3 ""If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again AND receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.[/b]

How can you possibly argue
"I will come again"
AND
"Receive you unto myself" is a reference to TWO different events??

Just HOW do you get this return of Christ to be exactly TWO events given the 100's of millions of saints that have died since then??


The ONLY thing about this text showing TWO events is

1. Christ LEAVING
2. Christ RETURNING

Please tell me that this is not confused in your teaching!

in Christ,

Bob

This is NOT confused in my teaching.
Obviously I have taken all scripture and disassembled
it and re-assembled it and studied it -- 55 years!
How could I possibly recreate this process in
ten or 12 Topics?

Of course, not all of my eschatological teachings come from
John 14:1-4.l But nothing in John 14:1-4 invalidates my
eschatological teachings

 

[Ed Edwards]

Ed notes that Brother BobRyan is repeating his arguments

against the Pretribulation Rapture (PTR) and I just got
started arguing for the PTR! :godisgood:

TeeHee!
I guess it is time now to finish the presentation?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Ed, Have you read Things To Come by Pentecost?
I like to know what you think about it. I'm thinking about buying it.
I'm trying to get a handle on Eschatology.

No, I reads a few eschatologies, read the best book by
LaHaye: HOW TO STUDY THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF,
and decided i'd do word studies and study the Bible
and let the Holy Spirit teach me.

The biggest breakthrough was the Matthew 24 stuff
just today that I resposted. Matthew 24:3 makes
it easy to understand WHat Jesus taught in the
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD).

 

[Ed Edwards]

The Thessalonians were familiar with
this saying of Jesus which we now find
recorded in Matthew 24:13 (KJV1873):

But he that shall endure unto
the end, the same shall be saved.

But some said of their friend "He got
sick and died before Jesus came to
get him, poor soul -- he didn't endure
to the end."

Paul addresses this problem in
a clearly pretribulation rapture passage
1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:11,
one of the most comforting passages in the
Bible.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 5:11 (nKJV):

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant,
brethren, concerning those who have fallen
asleep, lest you sorrow as others who
have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and
rose again, even so God will bring with Him
those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord,
that we who are alive and remain until
the coming of the Lord will by no means
precede those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend
from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain
shall be caught up (LATIN: raptured)
together with them in the clouds to meet
the Lord in the air. And thus we shall
always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons,
brethren, you have no need that I should
write to you.
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that
the day of the Lord so comes as a thief
in the night.
3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!"
then sudden destruction comes upon them,
as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.
And they shall not escape.
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness,
so that this Day should overtake
you as a thief.
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day.
We are not of the night nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do,
but let us watch and be sober.
7 For those who sleep, sleep at night,
and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
8 But let us who are of the day be sober,
putting on the breastplate of faith and love,
and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation through our
Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep,
we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify
one another, just as you also are doing.

Later the Thessalonians wondered if they
had missed the rapture. Paul corrects this
in a second letter:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (nKJV):

1 Now, brethren, concerning
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
and our gathering together to Him,
we ask you,
2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled,
either by spirit or by word or by letter,
as if from us, as though the day of Christ
had come.
3 Let no one deceive you by any means;
for that Day will not come unless
the falling away comes first,
and the man of sin
is revealed, the son of perdition,

The falling away that comes first
is the Rapture!
Then the man of sin is revealed, the
antichrist. Then the Tribulation period
begins.

While the KJV uses "falling away" here, the
English versions before the KJV used a
form of "departure" - again, the idea of
someone leaving this world as in the pretribulation
rapture/resurrection

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (Geneva Bible):
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall
not come, except there come a departing first, and that
that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

There is nothing HAS TO HAPPEN before
the rapture.
Here are some things that could happen
before the rapture but they do NOT
have to happen.

1) The destruction of Damascus (Isaiah 17)
2) the Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog invastion
(the Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 20:8
Gog/Magog invasion will be after the
Millinnial Kingdom period)
3) the building of a Temple in Jerusalem
on Mount Moriah north of and alongside
the Dome of the Rock.

But again, these things do not HAVE
TO HAPPEN before the rapture, they may
happen after the rapture; they could happen
before the rapture. They do not HAVE TO
HAPPEN before the imminent pretribulation
rapture.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I will show IT IS WRITTEN:
The Anti-messiah shall reign for 7-years,
the Tribulation period.
The rapture (caught up) will follow a resurrection.
The rapture/resurrection will occur without
previous notice and before the Tribulation period
(wrath).
The rapture (caught up)/resurrection (gathering)
is at the beginning of the Tribulation period
(time of the Anti-messiah)

The Anti-messiah shall reign for 7-years,
the Tribulation period. FOR IT IS WRITTEN
in Daniel 9:26-27 (nKJV):

"And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah
shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to
come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations
are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with
many for one week; But in the middle
of the week He shall bring an end
to sacrifice and offering. And on
the wing of abominations shall be
one who makes desolate, Even until
the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate."

Please note the lower case "h" in "he" in verse 27
refering not to Messiah in verse 26 but the
to the lower case 'p' "prince that shall come",
notice that in 'one who makes desolate' 'one is
not capitalized - it is the Antichrist.
Note it is written that the Anti-messiah's seven years
are divided in the middle by the abomination
of desolation, dividing the 7-year period into
to parts each 3½-years long (1260 days, 42 months).

The rapture (caught up) will follow a resurrection,
FOR IT IS WRITTEN in 1 Thessalonains 4:13-18 (KJV1873):

But I would not have you to be ignorant,
brethren, concerning them which are asleep,
that ye sorrow not, even as others which have
no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose
again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus
will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of
the Lord, that we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of the Lord shall
not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from
heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The rapture/resurrection will occur without
previous notice and before the Tribulation period
(wrath) FOR IT IS WRITTEN in
1 Thessalonains 5:1-10 (KJV1873):

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren,
ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that
the day of the Lord so cometh as
a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say,
Peace and safety; then sudden destruction
cometh upon them, as travail upon
a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness,
that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light,
and the children of the day: we are
not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others;
but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night;
and they that be drunken are drunken
in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day,
be sober, putting on the breastplate
of faith and love; and for an helmet,
the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether
we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together,
and edify one another, even as also ye do.

The rapture (caught up)/resurrection (gathering)
is at the beginning of the Tribulation period
(time of the Anti-messiah)
FOR IT IS WRITTEN in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (KJV1873):

Now we beseech you, brethren,
by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind,
or be troubled, neither by spirit,
nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come, except
there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;

I have shown IT IS WRITTEN:
The Anti-messiah shall reign for 7-years,
the Tribulation period.
The rapture (caught up) will follow a resurrection.
The rapture/resurrection will occur without
previous notice and before the Tribulation period
(wrath).
The rapture (caught up)/resurrection (gathering)
is at the beginning of the Tribulation period
(time of the Anti-messiah) .

Amen, Brother Ed -- Preach it!

 

[TCGreek]

What would be the necessity of this Temple and would they be sacrificing and what type of sacrifice are we looking at here?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Many PTR eschatologists get way past the Scripture with
their theory of 'dispensation'. I stick with the four
scriptures:

Dispensation in the NT, KJV1769 version:

1 Corinthians 9:17 (KJV1769):
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward:
but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel
is committed unto me.

Ephesians 1:10 (KJV1769):
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might
gather together in one all things in Christ, both
which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 3:2 (KJV1769):
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:

Colossians 1:25 (KJV1769):
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation
of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

The Holy Spirit hasn't shown me a lot more than is
here. I do know the Greek word being translated here
as 'dispensation' is the Greek word from which we get
'economy'.

I do know this is what the economy of God is like:

Bible Prophetic times:
'hour' = the appropriate time
'day' = the appropriate time
or '1 day' = 1,000 years
'½-week' = 3½-years
'week' = 7 years
'month' = the appropriate time
'year' = the appropriate time

Other 'economy of God facts':

the blind see
the dead live
the deaf hear
the lame leap like deer
the first is last
the last is first
Jesus Saves (totally!)
God Rules!!

 

[Eliyahu]

Again - I have told you all I know.
If you will study AND NOT DOUBT what I
said, you will see a consistant pattern.,

The reason you aren't getting what I got is that
you DON'T SEE (understand, believe) what I'm talking about.

I did NOT get my eschatology from a millionare
LaHaye. I got it from the scripure.

Please define what 'rapture' is.
Please define what 'resurrection' is.
Thankyou.

I can hear the laughs from the Lake of Ontario as the fishes passing by laugh a lot.

 

[Ed Edwards]

What would be the necessity of this Temple and would they be sacrificing and what type of sacrifice are we looking at here?

Un-messanic Jews will build the Temple under the leadership
of the Anti-messiah.

Just after the First Persian Gulf War I was talking
(on the internet) to a
rabbinical student in New York City. I asked him what
would happen when Messiah came (he was NOT a
Messanic Jew).

Here are the three things he said:

1. Messiah will bring peace to Yisrael
2. Messiah will restart the Daily Sacrifice on Temple Mount in Hierusalem
3. Messiah will rebuild the Temple in Hierusalem

Anybody who does this will be seen by the nation
of Israel (and all world Jews) as the Messiah.
But it will really be the Anti-messiah.

I happen to know that God has a plan to save all
Yisrael (i.e. Jews):
The Anti-messiah will enter the Temple and declare himself
as god at the mid-Tribulation crisis. Millions of Jews will
see through the false Anti-messiah and BELEIVE God
has Raised Jesus from the dead & that Yeshua Ben Yoseph
of Nazareth is the Messiah - they will be saved
(same way as in athe church age, for anti-'dispernsationalists').

 

[Ed Edwards]

I can hear the laughs from the Lake of Ontario as the fishes passing by laugh a lot.

The average wind speed in Chicago, Ill, USofA is 23 Miles Per Hour.
The average wind speed in exciting central Oklahoma
is 25 Miles Per Hour. Our state song includes the line:

When the wind comes sweeping
down the PLANES

 

[BobRyan]

Since we did not get an answer to this from anyone in the PTR camp--

John 14

1 ""Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
2 ""In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
3 ""If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again AND receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.[/b]

How can you possibly argue
"I will come again"
AND
"Receive you unto myself" is a reference to TWO different events??

Just HOW do you get this return of Christ to be exactly TWO events given the 100's of millions of saints that have died since then??


The ONLY thing about this text showing TWO events is

1. Christ LEAVING
2. Christ RETURNING

 

[BobRyan]

In Matt 24 we see the saints gathered to Christ AFTER the "Great Tribulation" so "I get that".

"IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days they shall..."


Matt 24
29 ""But [b]immediately after the tribulation[/b] of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and [b]they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDSOF THE SKY with power and great glory.
31 ""And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect[/b] from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


Bible says it! I believe it!

By contrast WHERE do you have a text pointing to the PRE-TRIB rapture "but immediately BEFORE the Tribulation of those days He will gather His elect from the four winds" ?? where is YOUR text??

 

[Ed Edwards]

What would be the necessity of this Temple and would they be sacrificing and what type of sacrifice are we looking at here?

What is the use of Ezekiel's Temple (Eze 41-47, Eze 48 is the land)
in the Millinnial Messinic Kingdom?

 

[BobRyan]

No use for temples on earth in the Millennium - because during the 1000 years between the first resurrection (that of the Holy and Blessed ones over whom the second death has no power) that occurs at Christ's coming (1thess 4) and the the resurrection of judgment seen in Rv 20 the saints are in heaven and the wicked are slain.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[TCGreek]

What is the use of Ezekiel's Temple (Eze 41-47, Eze 48 is the land)
in the Millinnial Messinic Kingdom?

Yes, please! :thumbs:

 

[Ed Edwards]

No use for temples on earth in the Millennium - because during the 1000 years between the first resurrection (that of the Holy and Blessed ones over whom the second death has no power) that occurs at Christ's coming (1thess 4) and the the resurrection of judgment seen in Rv 20 the saints are in heaven and the wicked are slain.

in Christ,

Bob

Amen Brother Bob -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

To bad it blows a hole in your eschatology any
College half-back dreams of in the defensive line in front
of him.

Matthew 25:31-46 tells about the 'Throne of His Glory' Judgement,
also known as (AKA the Sheep & Goat Nations Judgment.
the nations left behind are nations full of sinners to be saved
during the Millinnial Messanic Kingdom.

So when will Ezekiel'sTemple (Eze 41-47) be seen on earth?