Preventing voter fraud

[Salty]

Should their be a federal clearinghouse for voter regersitertion for federal elections?

How should snowbirds be allowed to vote?
That is: in the South 1 Nov - 30 Apr
............in the North 1 May - 31 Oct

Any other thoughts?

 

[billwald]

Yes, and the voting lists should be published on the web.

 

[LeBuick]

Yes, and the voting lists should be published on the web.

What, you guys are recommending more government? How many tax dollars should we devote to such an organization? Can such an organization guarantee 100% legitimacy of the votes?

 

[Palatka51]

Isn't that the job of our local Supervisor of Elections? Hold them to be accountable for the job that they were elected to. As far as "Snow Birds" are concerned the absentee ballot should suffice.

 

[rbell]

Yes, and the voting lists should be published on the web.

THis would be a problem on so many levels. ID theft, people voting as other folks, etc.

Not to mention, a good voter ID bill (opposed by democrats nearly everywhere) would take care of a lot of garbage.

 

[LeBuick]

Not to mention, a good voter ID bill (opposed by democrats nearly everywhere) would take care of a lot of garbage.

Voter id bill said you are only a voting citizen if you have an id. You would have to amend the constitution where it gives us a right to vote if we went this direction. It would have to read you have a right to vote if you have an id.

I do agree the registration process should contain more scrutiny to validate the person and their citizenship. But a bill like what was proposed would take constitutional rights away from citizens like the homeless person on the street who may not have an id or the money to obtain one. If we pass such a bill, we'd also have to guarantee some type of free federal id.

 

[JustChristian]

Should their be a federal clearinghouse for voter regersitertion for federal elections?

How should snowbirds be allowed to vote?
That is: in the South 1 Nov - 30 Apr
............in the North 1 May - 31 Oct

Any other thoughts?

Snowbirds and everyone else must declare a legal place of residency. That's where they should vote and only there.

 

[LeBuick]

Snowbirds and everyone else must declare a legal place of residency. That's where they should vote and only there.

 

[rbell]

Voter id bill said you are only a voting citizen if you have an id. You would have to amend the constitution where it gives us a right to vote if we went this direction. It would have to read you have a right to vote if you have an id.

I do agree the registration process should contain more scrutiny to validate the person and their citizenship. But a bill like what was proposed would take constitutional rights away from citizens like the homeless person on the street who may not have an id or the money to obtain one. If we pass such a bill, we'd also have to guarantee some type of free federal id.

First of all...
There is no constitutional right to vote on a federal level. You might scream and holler, but look it up. There's not. There is no right to vote in a federal election under our Constitution. The Voting Rights Act merely sets forth criteria that cannot be used to deny a vote to certain people if and when the state decides that a vote is going to be held.

Secondly...
We've heard this "the poor won't be able to vote" stuff before. Anyone can get a state-issued ID. Most states will waive the fee, and I'd be willing to if necessary. But this is code language in Democratese for "all of the votes we 'found' won't count if we have to actually prove who they are."

Doubt me? Come to Perry County, AL...the capital of voter fraud. There are more voters each election that vote than there are people. The absentee ballots run 20 times the national average, or more. And by the way, it's a Democratic stronghold.

Politicians that oppose voter ID bills, in my opinion, probably got there fraudulently. Otherwise, they wouldn't fear an accurate count.

 

[Revmitchell]

Such a program on the federal level would be unconstitutional.

 

[LeBuick]

First of all...
There is no constitutional right to vote on a federal level. You might scream and holler, but look it up. There's not. There is no right to vote in a federal election under our Constitution. The Voting Rights Act merely sets forth criteria that cannot be used to deny a vote to certain people if and when the state decides that a vote is going to be held. .

Try the 15th amendment...

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 15

Amendment 15 - Race No Bar to Vote

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Secondly...
We've heard this "the poor won't be able to vote" stuff before. Anyone can get a state-issued ID. Most states will waive the fee, and I'd be willing to if necessary. But this is code language in Democratese for "all of the votes we 'found' won't count if we have to actually prove who they are."

No, it means we shouldn't create barriers that deny people access to the polls.

Doubt me? Come to Perry County, AL...the capital of voter fraud. There are more voters each election that vote than there are people. The absentee ballots run 20 times the national average, or more. And by the way, it's a Democratic stronghold.

So ya'll shouldn't be pointing fingers at ACORN. Sounds like your state is proof of fraud even when ACORN is not around. And why, your state is solid red...?

Politicians that oppose voter ID bills, in my opinion, probably got there fraudulently. Otherwise, they wouldn't fear an accurate count.

No, they merely protect the rights of their voters.

 

[rbell]

Try the 15th amendment...

No, it means we shouldn't create barriers that deny people access to the polls.


No, they merely protect the rights of their voters.

I repeat...The Voting Rights Act merely sets forth criteria that cannot be used to deny a vote to certain people if and when the state decides that a vote is going to be held.

So ya'll shouldn't be pointing fingers at ACORN. Sounds like your state is proof of fraud even when ACORN is not around.

Did you listen at all? Perry County is a 85-90% democrat voting area of our state. Can you see that connection, or do you need more dots? (Hint: Democrat strongholds--more voter fraud)

And why, your state is solid red...?

No state is "solid red." Even you must know that. There are enclaves that vote red and blue in every state. But, since you asked...our "red state" that you think so highly of is kicking the rest of the nation's butt in economic development. The housing slump hasn't touched us. We're doing fine. The reason? Our government, by and large, is staying out of our way. Still think we're backward?

 

[rbell]

A left-leaning site offers this:

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/political_reform/amendment_constitutional_voting_right.html

Now tell me...if there were a "constitutional right to vote," why then would there be a bill introduced to establish something you claim already exists? Hmmmm?

 

[LeBuick]

A left-leaning site offers this:

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/political_reform/amendment_constitutional_voting_right.html

Now tell me...if there were a "constitutional right to vote," why then would there be a bill introduced to establish something you claim already exists? Hmmmm?

I stand corrected... :thumbs:

 

[Bible-boy]

Nope. We need legislation that would require every voter to produce a valid state (Driver's licenses or other ID) or federal ID (US Passort or Military ID) and their name appears on the local voter registration list, before entering the voting booth. Otherwise their vote would only be counted as provisional until their identity and voter registration is conclusively established.

 

[rbell]

Nope. We need legislation that would require every voter to produce a valid state (Driver's licenses or other ID) or federal ID (US Passort or Military ID) and their name appears on the local voter registration list, before entering the voting booth. Otherwise their vote would only be counted as provisional until their identity and voter registration is conclusively established.

A-men, women, and children.

 

[rbell]

I stand corrected...

Having said what I did...let me re-iterate my support of the voting rights act. It's a shame that it took such legislation for some of the horrible voting discrimination to cease (too bad folks couldn't have just done the right thing). But it did, and I'm glad it was done.

 

[billwald]

Voting registration lists are open public records available at every county in the US. It would cost very little to post them in a file format on the web. Then everyone could check for his dead neighbors on the list.

There will never be an honest secret ballot of millions of people. I suggest that ALL votes and voters be posted in file format. Every person could make his own count on every issue.

 

[LadyEagle]

Nope. We need legislation that would require every voter to produce a valid state (Driver's licenses or other ID) or federal ID (US Passort or Military ID) and their name appears on the local voter registration list, before entering the voting booth. Otherwise their vote would only be counted as provisional until their identity and voter registration is conclusively established.

That won't work. Tennessee has granted a TN driver's license to illegal aliens for a long time. I think they pulled that a couple of years ago, but it was in effect for several years. I never could figure out how English illiterate people could read road signs, but our elected officials must have figured that out when they granted them the right to a DL.

PS: I did not have to show ID when I just early voted in TN. All I had to show was my Voter Registration card I carry in my wallet. I don't think showing ID is required in TN but I may be wrong on that.

 

[LadyEagle]

Voting registration lists are open public records available at every county in the US. It would cost very little to post them in a file format on the web. Then everyone could check for his dead neighbors on the list.

There will never be an honest secret ballot of millions of people. I suggest that ALL votes and voters be posted in file format. Every person could make his own count on every issue.

The trouble with that is that they contain SSNs.