Propaganda’s Forward March

[fromtheright]

KenH,

I would respond in detail to the amcon article, but I learned there is little point when you ignored the same effort in the cited thread. Of course, you're welcome to ignore or not respond or not read whatever you choose, but I won't waste my time again.

 

[church mouse guy]

Originally posted by Pennsylvania Jim:

What the heck are you talking about? I couldn't have told you where the Pope stands on the war until I read your post. Nor do I care. Obviously I spend little time complaining abou thte Pope because he is not part of anyhing in which I am involved. Bush is the President of my country.

Make John Paul President and Bush the Pope, then I'll switch my emphasis. Hey...maybe we're on to a good idea here...

How could you not know where the Pope stands on the war since he was very clear that it is an unjust war? You are complaining that Bush is syncretistic--so what? Anyone with half a brain knew before the election that Bush was a moderate and that no one in the Bush family knew any theology or doctrine. Where have you been?

As I told you before, Pennsylvania, your side has more than its share of syncretistic people, including Pope John Paul II. Someday you have to show me the doctrine that says that a Christian cannot vote for a flawed man since you keep saying that a good Christian should not do this and should not do that. So I suppose you and the Pope think that I will have sinned if I vote for Bush in 2004.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by fromtheright:
If may be so bold as to borrow some of your arrogance above, I responded to your posting of another article, in detail, to several of the items therein, but you apparently either ignored my response or were overwhelmed by it.

Thanks for providing a link. I owe you an apology for my tardiness in responding to that. The article has been lying here by my computer since then. I'll try to post my response while I have some days off for Thanksgiving.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Then, Ken, you should withdraw your criticism that the "neo-con" proof of the link between Iraq and international terror is lying propaganda.

Nope. When you throw an egg on the floor, you still have to clean up the mess.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by fromtheright:
Now maybe you'll withdraw your criticism of American imperial ambition

Nope. If you throw your Pepsi on the floor, you still have to clean up the mess.

 

[church mouse guy]

Ken, you say that you do not want to cut and run but all your links are to cut and run people including this one, which is false.

With all due respect, I am wondering if you are what they used to call on the border without shame?

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
including this one

I don't recall this article saying anything about cutting and running, but perhaps you consider any criticism of President Bush's Iraq mistake to be advocating cutting and running.

But I must admit that if we keep losing 100 troops a month with no let up in sight, then I will eventually advocate cutting and running.

 

[church mouse guy]

Ken, you are getting your information from the anti-war camp, including this article. Even the Democrats are not debating the facts of the "Weekly Standard" article to the best of my knowledge. Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are in bed together.

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
...your side...

Which "side" would that be? You talk like this is some sort of football game or something. Let's stick to applying Godly principles to each event...please?

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
you are getting your information from the anti-war camp

Personally, as a Christian, I wouldn't be real comfortable with being categorized as being in the pro-war camp.

 

[Jul]

I wonder if you could - by any stretch of the imagination - categorize my Holy Father as anti-war?

Deuteronomy 20
3 He shall say: "Hear, O Israel, today you are going into battle against your enemies. Do not be fainthearted or afraid; do not be terrified or give way to panic before them.

Deuteronomy 20
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.

Judges 20
23 The Israelites went up and wept before the LORD until evening, and they inquired of the LORD . They said, "Shall we go up again to battle against the Benjamites, our brothers?" The LORD answered, "Go up against them."

Psalm 144 Of David.
1 Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.

Isaiah 42
13 The LORD will march out like a mighty man,like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies.

Jeremiah 49
14 I have heard a message from the LORD : An envoy was sent to the nations to say,"Assemble yourselves to attack it! Rise up for battle!"

Zechariah 14
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.

 

[church mouse guy]

Originally posted by Pennsylvania Jim:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by church mouse guy:
...your side...

Which "side" would that be? You talk like this is some sort of football game or something. Let's stick to applying Godly principles to each event...please? </font>[/QUOTE]Your side wants to bring the troops home now according to what you have posted. And you tell me that I am sinning if I vote for Bush again. By the way, the smell from this Medicare Bill may keep a lot of people from voting GOP.

 

[church mouse guy]

Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by church mouse guy:
you are getting your information from the anti-war camp

Personally, as a Christian, I wouldn't be real comfortable with being categorized as being in the pro-war camp. </font>[/QUOTE]Jul answered you very well.

It seems that you, Ken, seem to always resort to this business of what a Christian should do. Frankly, I am growing weary of being told that I have sinned unless I do what Ken and Penn say.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Jul:
I wonder if you could - by any stretch of the imagination - categorize my Holy Father as anti-war?

So you think that my Holy Father enjoys seeing His children killing each other in warfare? Maybe you have Him confused with the mythological god of war, Aries.

If you want to get into a Scripture quoting contest, I can give you a bunch about loving one's enemies, doing good to those who hate us, God is love, etc., etc., etc.

I really don't think you can rightfully use what God commanded the Israelites to do in the Old Testament theocracy to justify the United States invading Iraq.

 

[Jul]

Honestly, I was just showing that God is not opposed to war. BTW - it's the same God - old or new testament. The New testament is an easier read, I'll absolutely agree - but He is the same God - and why on earth did you bring in mythology?

 

[fromtheright]

KenH,

Thanks for providing a link. I owe you an apology for my tardiness in responding to that. The article has been lying here by my computer since then. I'll try to post my response while I have some days off for Thanksgiving.

Thanks. I'm sorry if I was abrasive, but I had responded to one article, then you posted the one from amcon, but in all fairness to you, my response on the other thread was rather lengthy.

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Your side wants to bring the troops home now according to what you have posted. And you tell me that I am sinning if I vote for Bush again. By the way, the smell from this Medicare Bill may keep a lot of people from voting GOP.

I do think we should bring the troops home ASAP.

As to voting fo lesser evils... I leave it to you to determine whether you are sinning to vote for an evil man.

As to the medicare bill, I agree. Why vote Republican if their strategy is to implement the Democratic agenda?