Purgatory - or sola scriptura: choose ONE

[BobRyan]

Some here claim that just reading the Bible they come up with all the man-made traditions of the RCC.

But has anyone here ever heard of someone who read the book of Matthew (or NT or OT) who then said "SEE here is Purgatory" without ALREADY being RCC?

The point is that the test case of just reading the Word of God to see what IT says results in no text that would lead some to "conclude" purgatory UNLESS they were already RC.

Do you know of anyone -- NON Catholic that "read the Bible and believed in Purgatory" while NOT Catholic simply because they thought that the Bible told them to think of a non-heaven place of torment??

So it is better to rest our faith in man-made tradition or the Word of God?

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Davyboy]

When did the RCC invent purgatory?
And besides 2 Maccabees, where do the RCC get this doctrine (if anywhere else)?

 

[donnA]

Some here claim that just reading the Bible they come up with all the man-made traditions of the RCC.

But has anyone here ever heard of someone who read the book of Matthew (or NT or OT) who then said "SEE here is Purgatory" without ALREADY being RCC?

The point is that the test case of just reading the Word of God to see what IT says results in no text that would lead some to "conclude" purgatory UNLESS they were already RC.

Do you know of anyone -- NON Catholic that "read the Bible and believed in Purgatory" while NOT Catholic simply because they thought that the Bible told them to think of a non-heaven place of torment??

So it is better to rest our faith in man-made tradition or the Word of God?

In Christ,

Bob

Since purgatory and some other rcc doctrines are not in the bible, but are man made, and many contradict the bible, one might conclude that the rcc does not believe the bible.

 

[donnA]

would the guy sending me the constant PMs please stop

 

[Matt Black]

The OP presupposes that the Bible is or should be the sole source of doctrine.

 

[tragic_pizza]

More precisely, the OP ignores the fact that Purgatory is based upon the LXX Old Testament...

 

[Taufgesinnter]

Begging the question?

Some here claim that just reading the Bible they come up with all the man-made traditions of the RCC.

But has anyone here ever heard of someone who read the book of Matthew (or NT or OT) who then said "SEE here is Purgatory" without ALREADY being RCC?

The point is that the test case of just reading the Word of God to see what IT says results in no text that would lead some to "conclude" purgatory UNLESS they were already RC.

Do you know of anyone -- NON Catholic that "read the Bible and believed in Purgatory" while NOT Catholic simply because they thought that the Bible told them to think of a non-heaven place of torment??

So it is better to rest our faith in man-made tradition or the Word of God?

In Christ,

Bob

I'm not RCC, but to say that someone can, "just reading the Bible," "come up with all the man-made traditions" of Catholicism is assuming your point a priori. If they can be found in the Bible, they might not be man-made traditions, but might be part of the Holy Tradition of the apostles. Not that the apostles weren't men, of course.

Also, you seem to assume solo scriptura (not really sola scriptura) is the correct basis for one's faith, that each individual, rather than the Church corporate, will be led into all truth by the Holy Spirit, and that this leading will only be done by examining that part of Tradition accepted and taught by the Church that was written.

 

[Eliyahu]

I would rather become like the Robber at the Cross who went to Paradise directly than to become a Catholic believing in Purgatory.

Why do the people try to replace the Bible with other complicated human theories?
Bible Truth is simple to understand and believe.
There is no purgatory other than what Jesus has done at the Cross.

 

[Melanie]

....but Bob you read a bible with bits trimmed out of it...all the bits that make you uncomfortable

.....if Jesus referred to the Septuagint why is that not good enough for us.....

 

[tragic_pizza]

....but Bob you read a bible with bits trimmed out of it...all the bits that make you uncomfortable

.....if Jesus referred to the Septuagint why is that not good enough for us.....

From my own perspective, the Reformed tradition accepts the Masoretic Text rather than the LXX. This being said, I don't think I can rationally condemn someone who considers the LXX authoritative, since (as you said) Christ and the disciples apparently did.

 

[BobRyan]

I'm not RCC, but to say that someone can, "just reading the Bible," "come up with all the man-made traditions" of Catholicism is assuming your point a priori. If they can be found in the Bible, they might not be man-made traditions, but might be part of the Holy Tradition of the apostles. Not that the apostles weren't men, of course.

Do you mean to say "If they CAN'T be found in the Bible THEN they are from the Apostles verbal/oral tradition"???

#1. How is NOT finding them in the Bible - "proof" that Paul actually taught the doctrine!!??

#2. WHY in the world would the Apostles NOT write out the doctrines that they were teaching when in fact they were at the LOWEST point (number-wise) ever in all of history and NEEDED a written exact transcription for doctrine even MORE in days when person-to-person encounters were FEW and FAR between!!

Also, you seem to assume solo scriptura (not really sola scriptura) is the correct basis for one's faith, that each individual, rather than the Church corporate, will be led into all truth by the Holy Spirit, and that this leading will only be done by examining that part of Tradition accepted and taught by the Church that was written.

How many churches do you know of today that DON'T write out their beliefs!!??

 

[BobRyan]

....but Bob you read a bible with bits trimmed out of it...all the bits that make you uncomfortable

.....if Jesus referred to the Septuagint why is that not good enough for us.....

What part of my posts here show that I "prefer to trim out some part of the Bible"??

Jesus never said "The Septuagint says" because He viewed scripture as the Word of God EVEN if it was TRANSLATED.

And so do I.

Are you really questioning that?