BobRyan said:
GE:
That's your SDA-stuff
-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Question to our SDA friend
- Thread starter Shiloh
- Start date
GE:
That's your SDA-stuff
BR:
"You WANT to argue that the "ATONEMENT" is definined as the "PRICE PAID at CALVARY" that OMITS all that God said about the High Priest's role in the PROCESS of atonement in Lev 16."
GE:
You present me falsely. I said nothing of a "PROCESS of atonement" - that's YOUR 'eisegesis' - not mine!
Then again you hide behind the door your skeleton of 'the High Priest's role in the PROCESS of atonement IN HEAVEN'.
So first get your accusation straight and honest, and we go further from there.
"You WANT to argue that the "ATONEMENT" is definined as the "PRICE PAID at CALVARY" that OMITS all that God said about the High Priest's role in the PROCESS of atonement in Lev 16."
GE:
You present me falsely. I said nothing of a "PROCESS of atonement" - that's YOUR 'eisegesis' - not mine!
Then again you hide behind the door your skeleton of 'the High Priest's role in the PROCESS of atonement IN HEAVEN'.
So first get your accusation straight and honest, and we go further from there.
You WANT to argue that the "ATONEMENT" is definined as the "PRICE PAID at CALVARY" that OMITS all that God said about the High Priest's role in the PROCESS of atonement in Lev 16."
I argue that the atonement is defined as the price paid at Calvary and presented before the Lord in resurrection from the grave of Joseph, that supplied and satisfied all divine virtue and authority demanded whereby Jesus Christ would henceforth in heaven mediate on behalf of the reconciled and atoned Elect on earth.
I argue that the atonement is defined as the price paid at Calvary and presented before the Lord in resurrection from the grave of Joseph, that supplied and satisfied all divine virtue and authority demanded whereby Jesus Christ would henceforth in heaven mediate on behalf of the reconciled and atoned Elect on earth.
I got it from this, post 75. I beg your forgiveness; I read over Shilo's name, and took it Claudia's remarks. Very, very, sorry!
Originally Posted by Claudia_T
Shiloh said --
Quote:
So, what should we tell the SDA that tell us the full payment for our sins is not complete until the devil pays for them?
I have to say this is absolutely strange that this person doesnt seem to get that we arent saying nor have we ever said the devil "pays" for any of the believer's sins. Its weird.
and it doesnt seem to matter just how many times you say it or how many ways you state it, either.
oh well. :sleep:
Originally Posted by Claudia_T
Shiloh said --
Quote:
So, what should we tell the SDA that tell us the full payment for our sins is not complete until the devil pays for them?
I have to say this is absolutely strange that this person doesnt seem to get that we arent saying nor have we ever said the devil "pays" for any of the believer's sins. Its weird.
and it doesnt seem to matter just how many times you say it or how many ways you state it, either.
oh well. :sleep:
Yes, inexcusably neglegent of me!
Yes, inexcusably neglegent of me!
The only thing inexcusably neglegent about you is you thinking they are telling the truth! Ask them about their devil/goat and what he is supposed to do. Gerherd are you waiting for the devil to be cast out...somewhere with all mankind sins so our eternal Salvation is secure?
The only thing inexcusably neglegent about you is you thinking they are telling the truth! Ask them about their devil/goat and what he is supposed to do. Gerherd are you waiting for the devil to be cast out...somewhere with all mankind sins so our eternal Salvation is secure?
My apologies no the less, I stand by this :
CT:
"Azazel is Satan. Not Jesus."
GE:
Moses:
"And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and (sacrifice) him for a sin offering. But the goat on which the lot fell to be the goat that escapes, shall be PRESENTED (OFFERED) ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD TO MAKE AN ATONEMENT WITH HIM, and to let him go (FREE) for an escape-goat into the wilderness."
Now, if satan is the scapegoat, satan "shall be PRESENTED (OFFERED) ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD TO MAKE AN ATONEMENT WITH HIM, and (be) let him go (FREE)".
Then satan is Jesus ... too blasphemous to comtemplate! Away with you and your devilish doctrines![/quote]
CT:
"Azazel is Satan. Not Jesus."
GE:
Moses:
"And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and (sacrifice) him for a sin offering. But the goat on which the lot fell to be the goat that escapes, shall be PRESENTED (OFFERED) ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD TO MAKE AN ATONEMENT WITH HIM, and to let him go (FREE) for an escape-goat into the wilderness."
Now, if satan is the scapegoat, satan "shall be PRESENTED (OFFERED) ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD TO MAKE AN ATONEMENT WITH HIM, and (be) let him go (FREE)".
Then satan is Jesus ... too blasphemous to comtemplate! Away with you and your devilish doctrines![/quote]
Shilo, I think you now know where I stand and where I have been standing all along.
Claudia_T said:
No Claudia, it's not us - it's you, and it it works out like this:
One. You say the "live goat" is Satan - right? Right!
Two. You say Jesus only atones for sin - right? Right!
Three. Lv16:10 says the "live goat" is "presented before the LORD to make an atonement with him" - right? Right!
Therefrom, pure arithmatic: if a=2 and b=2, then a=b - right? Right!
I won't spoon-feed you further.
Shiloh said:
GE:
Thanks for this nice snack before I go to bed!
Claudia_T said:
GE:
O Claudia, I'm sorry; but I dearly love you in Jesus Christ, you know. I'm so thankful to God He gave so much love from my people in this life, both in the faith and just in ordinary life. I'm so happy, I shall not think of hurting you through ill-manneredness. But I am bigway rough. I always think how God can tolerate me - He really must favour me for reasons I could never find in myself. God showers you under his tender mercies. Hold fast till He comes.
GE:
O Claudia, I'm sorry; but I dearly love you in Jesus Christ, you know. I'm so thankful to God He gave so much love from my people in this life, both in the faith and just in ordinary life. I'm so happy, I shall not think of hurting you through ill-manneredness. But I am bigway rough. I always think how God can tolerate me - He really must favour me for reasons I could never find in myself. God showers you under his tender mercies. (Pray you find the TRUTH before till He comes.) The other one :flower:
O Claudia, I'm sorry; but I dearly love you in Jesus Christ, you know. I'm so thankful to God He gave so much love from my people in this life, both in the faith and just in ordinary life. I'm so happy, I shall not think of hurting you through ill-manneredness. But I am bigway rough. I always think how God can tolerate me - He really must favour me for reasons I could never find in myself. God showers you under his tender mercies. (Pray you find the TRUTH before till He comes.) The other one :flower:
tragic_pizza
New Member
Nice, Shiloh. Now try and act like someone who has apologized.
tragic_pizza
New Member
That's what "sorry" generally means, Shiloh. I'll post the Dictionary.com link if you need it.