Shiloh said:
GE:
Very observant of you; I have not noticed it, I must say! Wonder if Claudia did?
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Question to our SDA friend
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GE:
Very observant of you; I have not noticed it, I must say! Wonder if Claudia did?
BobRyan and all Arminians, hear youself:
"Our sins are recorded in the books and are then blotted out via the blood of Christ. And that ends the "debt owed" for our sins.
However Christ is not going to pay for the sins that Satan commits"
GE:
Now I wonder how and why was Christ 'going to pay for the sins ...' of the lost and damned?
"Our sins are recorded in the books and are then blotted out via the blood of Christ. And that ends the "debt owed" for our sins.
However Christ is not going to pay for the sins that Satan commits"
GE:
Now I wonder how and why was Christ 'going to pay for the sins ...' of the lost and damned?
BobRyan
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In the dark ages the RCC used the term "heresy" to mean "anything that differs with the RCC's own confused views of religion and twisting of scripture" -- then shiloh does the same below.
Shiloh gives us some insight as to the confused thinking he uses as the source and excuse for his "ad hominem -- instead of Bible" - posts.
I provide the link because I think this one is good for reference.
In Christ,
Bob
Shiloh gives us some insight as to the confused thinking he uses as the source and excuse for his "ad hominem -- instead of Bible" - posts.
Shiloh said:
I provide the link because I think this one is good for reference.
In Christ,
Bob
BobRyan
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Oh good - Shiloh is back on the "SDA friend" thread and he thinks I am reading his posts enough to know what is favorite rant is....
Guess what Shiloh -- I look for Bible based discussions on this board not empty vitriol whining and ranting. That is why I keep urging you to TAKE such a Bible-embracing Bible-accepting Bible-based position in your arguments.
I thought you already got that point -- or did I forget to mention it this week?
In Christ,
Bob
Guess what Shiloh -- I look for Bible based discussions on this board not empty vitriol whining and ranting. That is why I keep urging you to TAKE such a Bible-embracing Bible-accepting Bible-based position in your arguments.
I thought you already got that point -- or did I forget to mention it this week?
In Christ,
Bob
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiloh
Ultimately our sins are on the scapegoat, who is Satan. The originator of evil who tempted all of us and thus ultimately is responsible for our sins. The first post on this thread by Claudia
3. OUR SINS are NOT upon Satan's head. What is upon Satan's head is HIS OWN SIN... his sin of tempting the people, deceiving the people. The second to the last post by Claudia on this subject.
IS CLAUDIA CREDIBLE? I Don't Think So!
I have already explained that apparent contradiction in what I said multiple times and dont plan on doing it again. But I think you could re-do this again 5 pages from now, hoping again that nobody saw this.
Originally Posted by Shiloh
Ultimately our sins are on the scapegoat, who is Satan. The originator of evil who tempted all of us and thus ultimately is responsible for our sins. The first post on this thread by Claudia
3. OUR SINS are NOT upon Satan's head. What is upon Satan's head is HIS OWN SIN... his sin of tempting the people, deceiving the people. The second to the last post by Claudia on this subject.
IS CLAUDIA CREDIBLE? I Don't Think So!
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
I have already explained that apparent contradiction in what I said multiple times and dont plan on doing it again. But I think you could re-do this again 5 pages from now, hoping again that nobody saw this.
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BobRyan
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Admittedly Shiloh practices a filtered revisionist history in order to support the vaccuous rants he prefers.
your post about a 12 page change in your position being glossed over and merged as if ONE by Shiloh is a matter of documented in fact on this thread and it demonstrates his methods perfectly.
But shiloh DEPENDS on the reader's not looking into the facts so he can make his charges. And he is nothing if not consistent on that point.
In Christ,
Bob
your post about a 12 page change in your position being glossed over and merged as if ONE by Shiloh is a matter of documented in fact on this thread and it demonstrates his methods perfectly.
But shiloh DEPENDS on the reader's not looking into the facts so he can make his charges. And he is nothing if not consistent on that point.
In Christ,
Bob
BobRyan
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Shiloh said:
I ask that you simply respond with reason and actually "have a point" in your argument.
1. I do not complain when someone uses the Bible to make their case. please feel free to switch to that method at any time. I use the bible to refute the doctrines of JW's and your own false ideas. If you should ever choose to make a Bible based argument against my views -- I would have no problem with that.
And also - I firmly believe that Fundamental Baptists and Christ would be better served by someone making Bible based points that held water - rather than simply relying on pointless venom --
2. Your "gimmick" of taking claudia's page one post and merging it with her changed position as if she did not change on that point -- is well documented sir. Your actions speak for themselves.
I can not help you there.
In Christ,
Bob
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Amen, Saint BobRyan -- Preach it! :thumbs:
BTW, Seventh Day Baptists predate the Adventist movement :saint:
BTW, Seventh Day Baptists predate the Adventist movement :saint:
BobRyan
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Ed Edwards said:
Amen Saint Edward -- Preach it!
SDAs did not invent the notion that Christians would keep the Ten Commandments NOR the idea that the Sabbath is the 4th among them and should be kept. The Seventh-day Baptists figured this out before Adventists and went on to share it with Adventists.
Think about that one for a minute. The Adventists viewed themselves in the forefront of prophecy teaching and preaching a pre-millennial literal visible second coming - they did not see themselves as having a mission to promote the 4th commandment or Sabbath keeping. Yet they take a back-seat to the Seventh-day Baptists when they are confronted with the Bible truth on the 4th commandment by Rachael Oaks - a Seventh-day Baptist attending a SUNDAY service held by Adventists! An entire denomination returns to this doctrine on the 4th commandment of Christ - due to the faithful witness of one Seventh-day Baptist lady who visited one Sunday, challenged the Adventist paster at the hand-shake-at-the-door after the service and then agreed to have Bible studies with the Adventist pastor!
Thank God for faithful Seventh-day Baptists!
In Christ,
Bob
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Quoting the SDAs:
" Christ interceded for the lost race."
GE:
Never does Christ intercede for the lost. He made final atonement (Only one 'type' of atonement is there of atonement!) for the sake of His Elect, and since has mediated or has made intercession on their behalf.
The constant error of SDA-ism is to confuse intercession for atonement.
I have said it a thousand times (not only on this Board, but elsewhere); they haven't answered once.
" Christ interceded for the lost race."
GE:
Never does Christ intercede for the lost. He made final atonement (Only one 'type' of atonement is there of atonement!) for the sake of His Elect, and since has mediated or has made intercession on their behalf.
The constant error of SDA-ism is to confuse intercession for atonement.
I have said it a thousand times (not only on this Board, but elsewhere); they haven't answered once.
BR:
"SDAs did not invent the notion that Christians would keep the Ten Commandments NOR the idea that the Sabbath is the 4th among them and should be kept. The Seventh-day Baptists figured this out before Adventists and went on to share it with Adventists. "
GE:
You know, dear Bob, despite their mistakes I believe the early SDAs were honest, manly, brave people, and humble enough and great enough to have learnt from others as you here have noted.
Unfortunately it seems they have lost some of their greatness in this respect.
"SDAs did not invent the notion that Christians would keep the Ten Commandments NOR the idea that the Sabbath is the 4th among them and should be kept. The Seventh-day Baptists figured this out before Adventists and went on to share it with Adventists. "
GE:
You know, dear Bob, despite their mistakes I believe the early SDAs were honest, manly, brave people, and humble enough and great enough to have learnt from others as you here have noted.
Unfortunately it seems they have lost some of their greatness in this respect.
Claudia_T said:
GE:
Didn't mean to be sarcastic! Behoede ons!
However, Claudia, was this not your post to explain your paradoxical statements? : Quote:
"And that ends the "debt owed" for our sins...." when 'our sins are placed of the devil's head'?
"And that ends the "debt owed" for our sins...." when 'our sins are placed of the devil's head'?