Question

Are any of you familiar with the Ashcraft family that has a bunch of their generations working as IFB missinaries. I am just curious, they seem quite well known and I do want to know if they are KJVO?

 

Yes, I just very well might make a decision based on KJVO if the pastor is as radical as the one I have been watching for several months. Half of his message is related to the one and only perfect Word of God that has corrected all of the spelling and punctuation of the original manuscripts and that he has a hard time sending a missionary to China because the Chinese Bible that is standard was not translated directly from the KJV so it would be perfect too.

This would not be the only decision I would look at, but it is one since I have noticed the militant stance of the KJVO group I've been involved with.

I have NO problems with KJVP. I don't even have a problem with KJVO if they will not call an NASB (or others) straight from the devil and hell three times every sermon. Or call the NIV the Non-Inspired Version. When someone starts calling the Word of God as being written by Satan--yes-sir I would make a decision based on this. (Of course I'm talking about the basic good translations and not some like The Message, but when a Bible says Jesus is God then I could never say that the book came from Satan. It would be blasphemy at the very least.

 

If the pastor would put 10% of the energy he uses to push legalism and spend less than 40% of his sermon cutting down modern Bibles I honestly think he would be a great pastor. He has energy, drive, motivation and a compass that needs to be calibrated about 90 degrees to get him back on course. I have no doubt the man is a born again Christian and means well; but, like others from the Bible school he came from are causing more harm to the name IFB or Baptist (period) than the New Mega churches we have that have put thousands into financing huge auditoriums, serve coffee in theater seating and preach the "seed/prosperity" sermons with very little gospel thrown in.

Every time he's brought a young couple into the church he will find out they want to wear jeans to church because they don''t own better and he makes sure they are sent away while he commands his (elders---because they have been divorced they only have one deacon) to wear suits and ties to impress the 50 remaining members.

He also will insist a young mother takes a belt to her child in front of other church members because the five year old opened a door to the sound room that was left unlocked and they weren't supposed to be in there; so she was commanded to whip the child with a belt in the front lobby before church started. He made me think of Nero standing back making sure his servants got enough licks in at both the right spot and with the right amount of pain.

His son just broke his heart because he went to a Philistine school (which is anything but the one they started) and he is no longer KJVO. He's now losing sleep over this travesty of the loss of his son as a good preacher (who had about 300 in Sunday School last week while his dad had 50).

It is hard to explain to people exactly what goes on in some of these splinter groups. There is one other positive I must say about him: he has a bigger ego than anybody I have ever met and he knows the Bible (KJB, excuse me) better than anyone. He'll tell you, just listen to one of his sermons.

Actually, I'm not exactly sure if you are agreeing or being a little tongue-in-cheek with your response to my post, but it doesn't matter and I will not send a man like this to teach people Christianity until certain beliefs are adjusted; so to speak.

If his only problem was KJVO. . . . I would probably say, go get em. But, the legalism this carries is from a much deeper well than just the KJVO problem.

 

Thank you, sir. I do appreciate your post.

 

Interesting. I know a doctor who is very nice man by that name. I think he is related, but he goes to a megachurch in Tulsa and I don't think there are any churches that big that are related to the IFB KJVO legalism group where I attended in our small town.

The name reminds me of "experts at burning at the stake" :laugh: Just kidding, it is unique. The ones I have met are very nice; but, I have trouble understanding how people start believing in some of the things I've heard in the last year at the small church I have attended.

It is NOTHING like a typical IFB; The local preacher is so in control he reminds me of a man named "Jones" who likes cool-aid brand drink with an added fizz. :saint: I did find out that all the SBC churches are liberals from, well I'm not even going to quote what he calls them and they are awfully conservative in this part of the country. When they added a drum set to the orchestra at our local biggest SBC church they became evil. Drums are from hell. I didn't know that. I thought they were from a factory in China.