Featured Rapture or Apostacy?

I don't believe it means "rapture" in the dispensational sense since that will not happen!

 

I think his point is that the popular idea of a "rapture" is not biblical so it is a myth- it will not ever take place.

before 1830 nobody of any note ever believed in a rapture, then a tribulation period then a second coming . Even after that very few people believed it for a very long time. It was not until the Scofield study bible came out that a significant number of Christians began to believe it.

And still, without TBN and the charismatics and Pentecostals, I can't imagine how it would have ever become a dominant viewpoint concerning eschatology.

I think it is a fad. As Pentecostals and Charismatics fade out in the next fifty years or so, I think rapture theology will go with them.

 

I'm familiar with these men, but your dignity drove you to confess the problem with using them.

Their teachings were vague and cannot be nailed down (for certain) to be anywhere near close to the eschatology that Darby invented and publicized in 1830.

Even if they COULD be shown to be teaching something remotely close to the idea of a rapture and then the seven years of tribulation and then the Second Coming, it has to be confessed by any honest person that the examples of such teaching is EXTREMELY few and far between.

It was never widely accepted before Scofield and it has become popular on the backs of Charismatics and TBN.

That does not mean it is wrong. It just means that it may not be right and it is perfectly okay to call it faddish and not embrace it- and to consider eschatological positions that have had a great deal more longevity. (Historic Premil, Amil, Postmil)

 

Read the first 9 verses of ch. 5, and the first 8 or so in the OP ch. (2 Thes. 2) and it will tell you.

 

Don't forget Amy Semple McPherson

 

The Greek word apostasia was directly incorporated into the English language prior to the writing of the King James.
In the English versions prior to King James it is rendered departure. It seems that "apostasy" underwent a change in meaning over time.
By the time the King James was put together, the transliterated word "apostasia" had come to mean apostasy as we know it today and was translated "falling away" unfortunately.
IMO, this was a mistake, but not uncommon in language. The word "apostasia" should correctly be translated "departure".
The "departure" is the harpazo, the "catching away into the clouds" of believers.
Then the false gospel with the false Messiah will be revealed and deceive the whole world.

 

Too Bad Jesus left this out in Matthew 24, huh? Musta been inna hurry. Poor disciples, they thought they were gonna go through the great tribulation he told them about.
Or maybe 'falling away' actually means 'falling away'. And we are waiting for the sign of the sun, moon, stars disrupted, the sky removed, and the Lamb appearing, like Jesus told us.

 

So he gave a reasoned response to the op discussing scripture and original context and language. You gave sarcasm

 

I think it would be unfortunate for someone to grab the Greek word's use of "departure" as pertaining to the church's saved as departing.

The use of "departure" is the departure from sound theology, and truth of the Scriptures.

For example, if one takes that the typical charismatic church teaching is not sound doctrine then in the sentence, "There has been a departure of many baptists into the charismatic church," shows how a large group have left and joined to that of unsound theology. The sentence could read, "There has been an apostasy of baptists into the charismatic church."

In Paul's day, the early church would often be invaded by "judaizers" or folks who taught a "different gospel." Too often, these would lead folks out of what they had been taught as sound theology.

Paul is warning that in the last days there will be a great number of folks who go after a "different gospel," and who depart from the truth of the Scriptures.

In short this verse is about those who depart into error, not into glory.

It should also be pointed out that every generation has seen some great "departure" into error, and it seems to them a fulfillment of Paul's statement. But do not be deceived.

Paul is stating - stay the course. The departure(s) will happen. There will be many who are deluded, and chase after "friendly teaching" (my term). But Christ WILL return. He will come back. Don't look at the "signs" (the departure) in despair but in hope of Christ's soon return.

 

Claiming superior scholarship to the AV translators is not a 'reasoned response'. As intellectual as it sounded, his post was not scriptural.
I gave a scriptural response, citing Matt 24, and referencing vs. 29-31, I just did it in my own words.

 

Welcome to the Baptist Board, Jordan. You've stepped in your first pile with this subject, as there are many who inexplicably reject clear biblical teaching regarding Christ coming for His church, preferring the false teaching of men in spite of excellent exegesis of a myriad members who know, understand, and believe the truth and present it every time a "rapture" thread shows up. Personally, I've grown tired of it, because it's always the same ones who won't believe, won't listen, and won't change their minds. I still love 'em and fellowship with 'em anyway. Sorry you had to find this out so early.

But God bless, and Godspeed, in your journey through this fellowship.

:wavey:

 

Yea, so everybody in the Christian world was an idiot before C. I. Scofield and TBN.

LOL!

That's funny.

What champions of exegesis these people have been!!

HAHAHAHAHA!

 

The Greek literaly means a removal of christianity. That can be taken as either the rapture or christianity dying out....or both.

 

Yes, sir. I responded to it.

The post of mine to which you are responding above was directed at the person who intimated that anybody who has a different eschatology is basically apostate, backslid or stupid.

I was just pointing out that his claim was not warranted.