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Re-open Clark Air Force Base?

Discussion in 'Vets and Friends' started by Salty, Feb 25, 2023.

  1. Salty

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    Getting ready for aggression. Why do we have so many bases around the world? We have Russia and China both hemmed in. China will over take us as number one economy in a few years. Russia was becoming very successful. Our neo cons can't have that. People who do not nucle under to us pay the price. Shock and awe. A civilian dies along side every enemy soldier that dies.
     
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    We are better at shock and awe then winning hearts and minds. That America died long time ago.
     
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    What is the difference between a neo-con and a Rino?

    Rather than retire planes to boneyards, why not give the FA 18's and F-22s to Taiwan?

    Why slow walk support for Ukraine?
     
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    Because war with Russia and China are dumb, neo con and neo Liberal ideas. Trump thought they were horrible ideas, thats why he was ousted. He stood in their way of warmongering. War is not Trumps idea of making money. It's called murder. We are the only SuperPower. We are the ones who have military bases all around the world to pressure those who don't want US Corporations to plunder them. Some countries like to share their resources with their people and not exclusively do business with the US and no one else. They should have a choice whom they want to do business with. Why do we have Russia and China surrounded with military bases? You think they do not know? Trump wanted NATO to pay their own way. He wanted to stop paying for NATOS defence, let them pay for it. But the neo cons can't have that with their war plans to break up Russia for Plunder. Trump, a man who did not get us into any wars, had to go.
     
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    And that’s a shame! All that effort placed on being a friend to these people :Frown
     
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    2021 GDP per capita:

    United States $70,249
    China $12,556
    Russia $12,400

    2021 total GDP:

    United States $23.3 trillion
    China $17.7 trillion
    Russia $ 1.8 trillion
     
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    Post #4 asked three basic questions, but none of the partisans ventured even a guess. Neo-cons were said to have neo-liberal ideas. But no distinction or similarity between neo-con and rino was presented.

    No reason was given for not giving war planes we are retiring to Taiwan.

    No reason was given for slow walking our military support to Ukraine.

    Neo-cons are openly anti-Trump, Rinos are secretly anti-Trump.

    The reason we are not and have not armed Taiwan to the teeth is an effort to appease China.

    The reason we are not and have not armed Ukraine to the teeth is an effort to appease Russia.
     
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    "Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

    But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

    She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

    She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

    She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

    She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

    The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....

    She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

    [America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice."

    - from a speech delivered on July 4, 1821, by then Secretary of State John Quincy Adams, delivered to the U.S. House of Representatives (July 4, 1821: Speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on Foreign Policy | Miller Center)
     
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    Policy not platitudes should lead the way.
     
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    In case you did not know, the United States of America, since Nixon we have had a one China policy. We acknowledge one day China and Taiwan will reunite completely. Not until now we are breaking that policy ? Why? Because China is going to overtake the US economy one day. Our neo cons can't have that. Hence the warmongering stance with China.

    We are killing Russians every day. When a Russian General is killed it's because the US targeted him. When an artillery shell lands on a Russian, it's because of the US. When a Russian tank, or vehicle, or barracks are hit, it is because of Americans targeted them. A Ukrainian may have pulled the trigger, but it was Nato who picked the target. How that could possibly be interpreted as appeasing them is just wrong. We are at war with Russia. We are killing them. We are just using the Ukrainians to do our war by proxy. The Russians by far are winning the war. Far more Ukrainians are dying than Russians. But we don't care. We will use the Ukrainians up until they are no more in this proxy war. Do you think the Russians are appeased? They are not. They know we are out to destroy them.
     
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    LOL, I know what the "one" China policy is, way better than Mr. Biden.
    We are not breaking the policy, apparent you do not actually understand it.
    Did I say supping military aid was appeasing? Nope, I said slow walking the aid was appeasing. Please address my actual position, not a fiction of your own construction.
    Since Russia invaded Ukraine, obviously Russia chose to go to war. Any claim otherwise is more nonsense.
     
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    The United States desperately needs to balance the federal budget and ditch the fiat monetary system and return to a gold-standard monetary system.

    GTMP-ed4-eBook-1.pdf
     
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    In the post Christian era, borrowing and living off that borrowed money, knowing that you will not pay it back, is seen by the Dems as an acceptable practice. And you can buy votes with it. Student loan forgiveness anyone?

    In the nuclear era, we are always under the thread of war, and our defense has been to be able to counter-strike with overwhelming nuclear force. However, our enemy invades other countries using conventional force, and no one sees the need to destroy those enemies, because they can annihilate us. So we borrow and spend to fight conventional wars, knowing we cannot win the numbers game using WWII technology.
     
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    Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev almost completely removed the threat of nuclear war
     
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    I assume you meant Clinton, Bush, Obama, and especially Biden. Keyboard issues? Anyway, you left out Trump. They are all big government politicians.
     
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    Yes, thats who I meant. I left Trump out because he is not a warmonger. He did not get us into another war. Indeed he ordered the Pentagon out of Syria and Iraq. The Pentagon left at some in those countries. One we are stealing Syrian oil and taking it through 2 Iraqi bases to the Gulf. Trump also tried to cut our spending on Nato and get them to spend on their own defense. I do not believe there would be war in Ukraine today if Trump was still in office.
     
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    I listened to a 5 minute video that Trump made the other day - nothing but a 5 minute tirade in favor of government intervention in the marketplace. Trump is no friend to free-market economics. Trump is no more of a minarchist than the rest of the bunch that run things and have powerful influence in the United States.
     
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    Those that worked to end our dependence on foreign oil were trying to bring peace. Those that work to make us dependent on foreign oil are trying to foster war. Pretty simple really.
     
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    Why did we blow up the pipeline from Russia to Germany? Europe is no longer getting cheap gas. Were selling it to Europe at 3 times the price they were paying. That same cheap Russian gas is no longer cheap for European countries that have to pay a middle man like India for it.
     
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