Reconciled while enemies 3

[savedbymercy]

Reconciliation to God experimentally also !

Not only did by Christ's Death alone, those He died for were reconciled to God[legally] even while they were being enemies [experimentally] so says Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They also are reconciled to God experimentally by His same death, meaning reconciled out of being enemies to Him, So says this scripture Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

You see that ? Paul tells them HOW it was done ! How they were reconciled after having been alienated and enemies in their minds by wicked works, It was in the Body of His flesh through death, meaning through His Death for them, the results is reconciliation out of being enemies and alienated in our minds by wicked works !

So Christ's Death alone accomplished both Legal and Experimental Reconciliation for the People of God, whom Christ died for !

 

[savedbymercy]

Reconciliation ensures all of Salvation !

Understand something, We know that Christ did not die for all mankind individually without exception, if we believe the Truth about His Death, in how it secures and ensures that those He died for shall be saved by His Life Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now lets consider here that its an stated fact that those Christ died for, even while they were enemies, that is to say unbelievers, even then they were reconciled to God; and the promise to them now reconciled to God while enemies, by His Death is " THEY SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE" !

So now if He reconciled all mankind without exception to God while they were enemies and unbelievers by His Death [supposing He died for them] and yet these same enemies thus reconciled by His death are not SAVED BY HIS LIFE AS PROMISED then the scripture has been proved to be false and a lie.

The only way for it not to be proved false is if all humanity without exception shall eventually be saved by His Life, which equates to universalism, another false teaching of the ungodly, or that Christ's Death was Limited to only the saved, which is limited atonement, or limited reconciliation !

So which do you believe today ? Let us examine our hearts before God and His Truth ! If you believe Christ died for all humanity without exception and reconciled them to God while enemies as Per Rom 5:10 then you either believe in Universal-ism or you believe that the scriptures teach limited atonement, you cant straddle the fence !

 

[savedbymercy]

Christ's death in reconciliation has a Two Fold purpose, it was to reconcile God to man and man to God! If it doesn't do this, it was a failure to Gods purpose , but it did Reconcile both sides as scripture teaches !

 

[savedbymercy]

Consistent denial of scripture !

van

Romans 5:10 does not say "when" we were reconciled. But we were reconciled, i.e. received the reconciliation, when God placed us spiritually in Christ, and we underwent the circumcision of Christ.

Van made this statement in a thread that has now been closed entitled:

Why we must be born again !

However this statement of vans is absolutely false and misleading, for Rom 5:10 does say WHEN they were reconciled, it was when they were enemies/unbelievers, by the Death of God's Son ! Lets read it Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now what can be more clear that the when is specified in this verse of when reconciliation occurred ?

Poster van consistently deny's the clear teaching of scripture. He stated once before that Christ's Death does not make anyone Righteous, even in light of the clear teaching of scripture Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

van



Van made this statement in a thread that has now been closed entitled:

Why we must be born again !

However this statement of vans is absolutely false and misleading, for Rom 5:10 does say WHEN they were reconciled, it was when they were enemies/unbelievers, by the Death of God's Son ! Lets read it Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now what can be more clear that the when is specified in this verse of when reconciliation occurred ?

Poster van consistently deny's the clear teaching of scripture. He stated once before that Christ's Death does not make anyone Righteous, even in light of the clear teaching of scripture Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Brother Saved by Mercy,

Good post. The time of the reconciliation according to Romans is clearly "when we were enemies", hence it obviously means at the point of the atonement, prior to us receiving the new birth. Also, if Christ died for all men without exception, then all would be reconciled, thus it cannot apply to every human being as the verse says it actually accomplished a reconciliation, not potentially accomplished a reconciliation based on if one would accept and believe in Jesus.

Also, that verse you gave in Romans 5:19 is also a good one to prove that the atonement, not faith in Christ, is what actually renders the elect righteous before God, "19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous". First notice, it mentions by Adam's disobedience all men were made sinners. Nobody would dispute it was by this act alone. Paul then goes on to compare Christ's obedience on the cross as the act by which "many will be made righteous". Now why is it that everybody would agree that the first act of Adam immediately caused all men to be sinners, but in the comparison by Paul will not agree that by the act of Christ's obedience on the cross, many were made immediately righteous? To interpret the verse otherwise, to mean that his elect must first have faith to be made righteous isn't consistent with the comparison to the immediate effect of Adam's disobedience.

Interesting note, Romans 5:19 has a very small, but important word hidden it . What is it? I have highlighted the word I am referring to "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" The word "so" here in the Greek is the word "houtos" and actually means "in this manner" according to the definition in Strong's Concordance. It is defined as "in this way" in the NAS Exhaustive Concordance definition, and finally is defined as "along this line" per Help Word studies. The same Greek word is even translated into English sometimes in the NASB as the word "exactly".. These renderings and definitions can be verified here http://biblehub.com/greek/3779.htm Thus just as Adam's disobedience instantly caused all to be made sinners, in the exact manner Jesus's obedience caused many to be made righteous. Brother SavedByMercy, one of the main reason's this doctrine is so fought against is because if one admits to it they have to reject the doctrine of universal atonement or become a universalist.

I will private message Brother Van. Hopefully he will respond and we can continue our discussion on these verses with him in this thread, now that the other thread has been closed.

God bless,

Brother Joe

 

[savedbymercy]

Brother Saved by Mercy,

Good post. The time of the reconciliation according to Romans is clearly "when we were enemies", hence it obviously means at the point of the atonement, prior to us receiving the new birth. Also, if Christ died for all men without exception, then all would be reconciled, thus it cannot apply to every human being as the verse says it actually accomplished a reconciliation, not potentially accomplished a reconciliation based on if one would accept and believe in Jesus.

Also, that verse you gave in Romans 5:19 is also a good one to prove that the atonement, not faith in Christ, is what actually renders the elect righteous before God, "19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous". First notice, it mentions by Adam's disobedience all men were made sinners. Nobody would dispute it was by this act alone. Paul then goes on to compare Christ's obedience on the cross as the act by which "many will be made righteous". Now why is it that everybody would agree that the first act of Adam immediately caused all men to be sinners, but in the comparison by Paul will not agree that by the act of Christ's obedience on the cross, many were made immediately righteous? To interpret the verse otherwise, to mean that his elect must first have faith to be made righteous isn't consistent with the comparison to the immediate effect of Adam's disobedience.

Interesting note, Romans 5:19 has a very small, but important word hidden it . What is it? I have highlighted the word I am referring to "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" The word "so" here in the Greek is the word "houtos" and actually means "in this manner" according to the definition in Strong's Concordance. It is defined as "in this way" in the NAS Exhaustive Concordance definition, and finally is defined as "along this line" per Help Word studies. The same Greek word is even translated into English sometimes in the NASB as the word "exactly".. These renderings and definitions can be verified here http://biblehub.com/greek/3779.htm Thus just as Adam's disobedience instantly caused all to be made sinners, in the exact manner Jesus's obedience caused many to be made righteous. Brother SavedByMercy, one of the main reason's this doctrine is so fought against is because if one admits to it they have to reject the doctrine of universal atonement or become a universalist.

I will private message Brother Van. Hopefully he will respond and we can continue our discussion on these verses with him in this thread, now that the other thread has been closed.

God bless,

Brother Joe

BJ, you have made some very good points that I am in agreement with, and more importantly agree with the scripture ! I will perhaps expand on a couple of your points if you dont mine !

Now if Rom 5:10 applied to all without exception, that is all men were reconciled to God by His Sons death while they were yet being enemies, then we have to conclude universalism, because there is a Promise connected with those reconciled to God while enemies/unbelievers, which is this :

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Being reconciled, the promise is they shall be saved by His Life ! Shall means its determined already to be done, predetermined !

Now we know that all without exception are not saved by His Life ! So the reasonable conclusion is, all without exception were not reconciled to God by Christ's death while they were enemies, which means Christ could not have died for them !

Do you agree with this assessment !

 

[BrotherJoseph]

BJ, you have made some very good points that I am in agreement with, and more importantly agree with the scripture ! I will perhaps expand on a couple of your points if you dont mine !

Now if Rom 5:10 applied to all without exception, that is all men were reconciled to God by His Sons death while they were yet being enemies, then we have to conclude universalism, because there is a Promise connected with those reconciled to God while enemies/unbelievers, which is this :

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Being reconciled, the promise is they shall be saved by His Life ! Shall means its determined already to be done, predetermined !

Now we know that all without exception are not saved by His Life ! So the reasonable conclusion is, all without exception were not reconciled to God by Christ's death while they were enemies, which means Christ could not have died for them !

Do you agree with this assessment !

Yes brother, amen!

 

[BobRyan]

[FONT=&quot]Is 5:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?[/FONT]

Reconciliation to God experimentally also !

Not only did by Christ's Death alone, those He died for were reconciled to God[legally] even while they were being enemies [experimentally] so says Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They also are reconciled to God experimentally by His same death, meaning reconciled out of being enemies to Him, So says this scripture Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

You see that ? Paul tells them HOW it was done ! How they were reconciled after having been alienated and enemies in their minds by wicked works, It was in the Body of His flesh through death, meaning through His Death for them, the results is reconciliation out of being enemies and alienated in our minds by wicked works !

So Christ's Death alone accomplished both Legal and Experimental Reconciliation for the People of God, whom Christ died for !

"He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11
"How I wanted to spare your children... but you would not" Matt 23

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[FONT=&quot]2 Peter 3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

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[FONT=&quot]“He CAME to HIS OWN and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]His OWN received Him not[/FONT][FONT=&quot]” John 1[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Matt 23[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Luke 7[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God’s justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Is 5:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Response: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Well some Calvinists would have an answer for God on that one. An answer contrived via “extreme inference” in places like Deut 5:29. Calvinism would inform the world – and God Himself of just what God did to cause the lamentable result that God is complaining about. If the result is wrong then Calvinism argues He did wrong - sabotaging His own plans or at the very least - being forgetful to "do the necessary" as the saying goes in India.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]The elephant in Calvinism’s living room is that they make God the saboteur of His own Gospel plans for life and salvation – the cause of His own lament [/FONT]

 

[savedbymercy]

Yes brother, amen!

That's good! Now the next point I will expand on of yours is the one about Christ's obedience making us righteous! It's both His active obedience, to Gods Law and His passive obedience to Gods Justice that makes us righteous! Christ's perfect obedience to Gods moral law in His spotless life, that righteousness has been charged to the account of the many of Rom 5:19 ! That as well as being Legally Justified from all their sins by His blood Rom 5:9 ! All this blessing before they believed a thing or even knew about it!

 

[savedbymercy]

Reconciled to God , more of what it means ?

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What does being reconciled to God mean ? Yes even when unbelievers and enemies !

It means that even as enemies and unbelievers God has no sins to charge against them, because all their sins have been put away by the Lord Jesus Christ.

These also God in Justice will not and cannot deal in wrath towards them for their sins as He will with others in a state of disobedience Eph 5:3-6

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things[In Vs 3-5] cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

This wrath of God here does include the second death Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Notice a similar list of sins are here mentioned like those in Eph 5:3-5 !

I believe its the Wrath to come 1 Thess 1:10

10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

And its the wrath spoken of here 1 Thess 5:9

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Now all whom Christ by His death reconciled to God, they were not appointed to wrath, and that even while enemies and unbelievers, even then they are saved from the Wrath to come through Him Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Through Him here means through His Death ! In fact the word through here in Vs 9 is the same word BY in Vs 10:

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Its the prep dia, which means "on account of" and so we were saved from wrath and reconciled to God on account of His Death, because of it, and no other cause can be considered without turning into idolatry !

 

[savedbymercy]

Making Peace /reconcilation by the blood of His Cross !

Col 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Did you know that all for whom Christ died, they have Peace with God before Faith ? Yes they have it[Peace with God] even though by nature they are enemies in their minds against Him and in Unbelief, because this Peace they have with God is established by the Blood of Christ, or by His Death, and its a True fact even while they are being enemies, hating Him and His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.

This Peace they have as enemies and unbelievers is true also because again as such they have been reconciled to God ! How was it they were reconciled to God ? It was not by their Faith, but by His Death Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Hence as reconciled enemies they have Peace with God, they are established in His Favor through the Lord Jesus Christ !

 

[savedbymercy]

Making Peace /reconciliation by the blood of His Cross !2

Now the word peace in Col 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Its the greek word eirénopoieó: I make peace, reconcile.

to make peace, establish harmony:

Now Christ by His death establshed Peace and Harmony, reconciliation between the Parties of Men and God, the relationship was mended on both sides !

Now one may ask how could this be, when those Christ died for are born into this world as sinners and enemies like others are See Rom 5:10 ! They are by nature aliented from the Life of God ! But heres how it was done. When Christ rose from the dead, after having died for the sins of God's Sheep, sins that had been charged to Him, He rose reconciled to God on their behalf, their sins having been put away, purged away Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now God was reconciled to Christ and the Sheep in Him, having been alienated from Him in Divine Justice because of their sins; Christ for sins imputed was forsaken of God the Righteous Judge Matt 27:46

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? See also Ps 22:1 !

You see when God the Father was executing His fierce wrath upon the Son Shepherd and Surety for the sins of His People , He was as the Prohet wrote:

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity:

And at this time God was not at Peace with His Son for Justice sake, He abandoned Him to the curse and condemnation for the iniquities of His Chosen, He turned away from, was alienated from Him, because of the blackness of sins charged upon Him !

But yet after He exhausted His Justice, and to give evidence that He has been exonerated, God raised Him from the Dead as the God of Peace Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace/reconciled, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

The word for peace here means:

eirḗnē (from eirō, "to join, tie together into a whole") – properly, wholeness, i.e. when all essential parts are joined together; peace (God's gift of wholeness).

Christ was raised from the Dead, reconciled to God, and God to Him, but not for His sake, but for the sake of the People He died for, and put away their sins. God now sees all for whom He died as being in Harmony with Him, because Christ their Head is. Its just like with Adam, before the fall of the elect in him, they in adam were in harmony and friendship with God ! The harmony between both Parties has been restored by Christ blood establishing Peace, and this is the Message of Peace in the Gospel Rom 10:15

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Not a possibility of Peace if they do this or that, but Peace in that they have in Christ, been reconciled to God, and God to them !

 

[savedbymercy]

God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ !

2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

According to this scripture, how did God reconcile [believers] to Himself ? Was it by their faith or repentance ? Was it by their obedience ? Does it say it was by their own freewill ? No, it was none of that which they did, no act of theirs, but He did it by Jesus Christ, meaning by His Death on the Cross 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned or reconciled unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

His death, and all it effected, set in motion reconciled those He died for back to God, the word reconciled in 2 Cor 5:18 is the greek word katallasoo , which means : I change, exchange, reconcile, change as when Two parties reconcile together, like marriage partners who had been estranged and at odds 1 Cor 7:11

11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

The word also denotes a change from enmity to friendship ! Not Gods enmity towards them, but their enmity towards God. By nature those whom Christ died for and reconciled to God were themselves enemies in their minds towards God, for so says the scriptures Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

All men by nature are with a carnal mind, thats natural for men 1 Cor 3:3

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Col 1:21

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he[Jesus Christ] reconciled

Now understand, this enmity we have by nature against God is overcome by the effects of Christ's death, causing us to come into a friendship/ fellowship in our hearts and affections towards God and the things of God, and of course our Faith to come to Him in a pleasing manner Heb 11:6 arises out what Jesus Christ by His work of the Cross effected ! Thats what Paul taught in 2 Cor 5:18 and Col 1:21 !

Now in 2 Cor 5:18 who are the Us ? 2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Its all them He reconciled to God while they were being enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The Us of 2 Cor 5:18 is consistent with the we of Rom 5:10, in fact that word reconciled is the same in both places !

And folks ultimately thats who Christ died for, those who by Him come to Faith/ Friendship and Fellowship experimentally with God Triune !

BTW, thats who the world is in 2 Cor 5:19, a world of men and women of all nations, whose natural enmity against God has been overcome, and they be experimentally brought into the Fellowship/Friendship with God again through Jesus Christ, to whom be all the Glory !

 

[savedbymercy]

Reconciled to God by the death of His Son while E !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Reconciled to God, by Christs death, while being Enemies, even enemies in our ninds by wicked works Col 1:21

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Thats right, even while being alienated, estranged from God by nature and in nature, those Christ died for were reconciled to God by His death.

Now this is a Truth about Grace that the natural man cannot and will not receive, being void of the Spirit of God, it is foolishness to him, even a great stumblingblock !

You see it does mean, while those for whom Christ died are in themselves rebellious against God, they have been nevertheless been reconciled or received into Gods Favor/Grace, which implies they have no sin, or iniquities, trespasses charged against them before God, for all these must be taken away, in order for God to receive us into His Favor/Reconcilition !

The word reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the greek word katallassō and means:

1. to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
2. to reconcile (those who are at variance)
3. return to favour with, be reconciled to one
4. to receive one into favour

So we know that their sins , iniquties have been removed because they cause separation from God as stated here Isa 59:2


But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Christ's death does away with that separation and reconciles God to them into His Favor and Blessing ! This separation is done away with for them in the facr of Jesus Christ their Surety !

Both Parties are reconciled, God to them, they to God by the Perfect Law obedience they have imputed to them through Christ's Obedience Rom 5:19, and all this is True while they themselves are in a state of nature children of wrath as others Eph 2:3

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. See Col 1:21 !

 

[savedbymercy]

They shall be also saved by His Life !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This is one scripture with the Truth it contains, it assures us that Christ did not die for the sins of all mankind, unless all mankind shall be saved by His Life ! And we know the bible does not teach that all mankind without exception shall be saved by the Life of Christ !

However we know from this scripture #1 Those Christ died for were, while yet being enemies/unbelievers, reconciled to God ! How ? By the Death of His Son, thats how !

Now this being reconciled to God by His Sons death denotes forgiveness of sins, and heres why !

The word reconciled here katallassō and its the same word Paul uses in 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

And this reconciliation consists of non imputation of their sins, which is forgiveness of sins according to scripture Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


So those in the world of 2 Cor 5:19, because of non imputation of their trespasses unto them, they are most blessedly forgiven and reconciled to God Rom 5:10, which is solely by the death of Christ for them, not because of their repentance, or believing, because it occurred while they were still being enemies !

 

[savedbymercy]

They shall be also saved by His Life !2

However, this aspect of their reconciliation and forgiveness by the death of Christ, still leaves them in spiritual death, or dead in trespasses and sins as in Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

So by nature, even though those Christ died for are dead in sin, they still have been forgiven of all them, and reconciled to God, even while they are spiritually dead !

But here is where the Promise comes in, which states, those reconciled to God by Christ's death, while they are yet enemies, dead in sin, they shall be saved by/in His Life !

This means that they shall be saved out of that dead state of enmity and being enemies, by His Life, they shall be quickened by His resurrected Life ! Thats what Paul means here 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Thats right, in His Resurrection from the dead, He was made a life giving Spirit, to give life to those for whom He lived and died for. They already have total forgiveness of sins, but now they need Life out of the dead. Christ, their Adam rose from the dead and was seated on the Right Hand of God to give them Life, which is also His resurrection Life for them ! Same thing is implied here Rom 6:4-5

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

In order to conform us into the Likeness of His Resurrection [which was for us anyway if He died for us] then we must be given to partake of that resurrection life which He does for us as a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45, which in turn saves us out of our spiritual death and being His enemies Rom 5:10 ! So the reconciled in Rom 5:10, while being enemies, shall be saved from being enemies, by Christ's Life.

This must happen and is promised to happen to everyone Christ died for !

So how could Christ had died for all without exception, when all without exception are not #1 Reconciled to God by His Death, and #2 Saved out of Spiritual death by His Life ? This saving is the same Paul speaks of also in Titus 3:5 by the renewing of the Spirit, which is the result of Christ being a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45 !

 

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Who is this World in 2 Cor 5:19 ?

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Is this world everyone without exception ? By no means, in fact the verse tells us who are comprised of this World.

Its everyone that has been reconciled to God, that God has reconciled to Himself ! Now does that apply to every human being without exception ? No it does not !

Secondly, its everyone that has not and God will not impute their sins unto them !

In other words, its a world of blessed men and women who Favid clls blessed here Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

And Paul quotes the same in Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Its a world full of men and women whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered !

Its a world full of folk that God will not impute sin, lay it to their charge ! And please note it says He will not do it, ever, not now, not in the future !

John Gill comments on Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. As he does not to those whom he justifies in Christ, and by his righteousness; for the sins of such he has imputed to his Son, as their surety; and he has bore them, took them away, having made full satisfaction for them; so that these persons will never be charged with them: they now appear before the throne without fault, and are blameless and irreproveable in the sight of God, and therefore must be eternally happy; for he will never think of their sins any more to their hurt; he will remember them no more; he "will never reckon them to them", but acquit them from them, justify and accept them; wherefore they must be secure from wrath and condemnation, enjoy much peace and comfort now, and be happy hereafter.

Thats who the World is in 2 Cor 5:19, those who are #1 Reconciled to God, #2 Have no sins charged to them !

Is that all without exception ? Jesus shall say to many who evidently have iniquity laid to their charge this Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now how could they possibly be of those which it is said Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. See Rom 4:7-8

which are those in 2 Cor 5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

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Who is this World in 2 Cor 5:19 ?2

The world in 2 Cor 5:19 cannot be inclusive of any individual who is not reconciled to God, or who is unreconciled !

Therefore the message in Vs 20 2 Cor 5:19-20

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

This message or command cannot be to the unreconciled, that would contradict Vs 19, that they were already reconciled to God also Vs 18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

So the Gospel command in Vs 20 " be ye reconciled to God" is not to anyone who is not already reconciled to God, the unreconciled !

Then why does Paul tell reconciled folk to be ye reconciled ? Its because, the word of Truth begets Faith in them, its a call to Faith, for Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing the word of God Rom 10:17 !

The Truth is that they already are reconciled to God by and through Christ, and when they hear that Truth by the power of the Holy Spirit, they are commanded to believe it, they are commanded to believe what is already True ! There believing it doesn't make it true, it was true before they believed, and when they were enemies Rom 5:10 ! There believing it was Gods way of giving them personal knowledge of it and assurance of it !