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Red Heifer
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They been saying that since the mid 1980s at least
its odd you mention the time frame.
In the early 80s (i forget the precise year) This rancher felt led to start a red angus herd for the purpose of providing "the red heifer"
As Ray states in the video ... they didn't have the place to perform the sacrifice until this year.
But it's probably nothing more than wishful thinking.
In the early 80s (i forget the precise year) This rancher felt led to start a red angus herd for the purpose of providing "the red heifer"
As Ray states in the video ... they didn't have the place to perform the sacrifice until this year.
But it's probably nothing more than wishful thinking.
canadyjd
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Where are they going to sacrifice this animal?its odd you mention the time frame.
In the early 80s (i forget the precise year) This rancher felt led to start a red angus herd for the purpose of providing "the red heifer"
As Ray states in the video ... they didn't have the place to perform the sacrifice until this year.
But it's probably nothing more than wishful thinking.
peace to you
Why is the sacrificing of a red heifer an issue?
Christ is the perfect sacrifice according to Hebrews. And the only sacrifice acceptable to God (the Father)
true Christian’s should rejoice in that sacrafice
Christ is the perfect sacrifice according to Hebrews. And the only sacrifice acceptable to God (the Father)
true Christian’s should rejoice in that sacrafice
The red heifer thing is more man made religion, more apostasy, more spiritual blindness, and more heresy
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canadyjd
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This is an issue with dispensationalist who believe the Jewish Temple will be rebuilt and the animal sacrifices instituted for national Israel, just in time for the 1000 year earthly reign of Jesus.
You are correct, the once for all sacrifice made by Jesus has completed the purpose of the Jewish sacrifices, which were a mere shadow of His great sacrifice.
No more Temple. No more altars. No more sacrifices.
peace to you
My understanding is the red heifers were sacrificed upon the Mount of Olives. “Outside the camp” ... just as Jesus was.
Since 70 AD, the Mount of Olives hasn’t been in an Israeli’s possession until this year. One of the rabbis in the video has acquired a section of the western side of this real estate, facing the Temple Mount/Mount Moriah.
I recognize the snickers ... those who think all prophesy was fulfilled in 70AD. Maybe you’re right. Maybe you’re not.
I fully accept Jesus’ sacrifice was sufficient for the remission of sin. For restoration into fellowship with God ... for abundant life. For the ability to become a new creation.
None of that dismisses the pursuit of the Jews ... the chosen of God to be our “test bed demonstrator.” It doesn’t dismiss the clear prophesy of this 3rd Temple. One has to believe Antiochus Epiphanies was the referenced antichrist of Daniel & John in Revelation to disregard the construction of the 3rd Temple.
So ... the response can be ... “wow, they really are working to do this”
”Praise God from Whom all blessings flow ... His Word is The Truth and is sufficient for me”
More snickers (and not the candy bar.)
Lob a little bit of ridicule.
PERHAPS I need to pay closer attention to what is happening in Jerusalem
This isn’t about “look at me” and how I’m right and your wrong ... you’re eating tomato sauce ... this is about recognizing “what time is it?” There is a growing list of things which has occurred in the last 3-5 years which hasn’t been in nearly 2000.
When you see these things ... Jesus said ... look up.
canadyjd
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My understanding of the red heifer sacrifice is that it’s ashes were used during the High Priest offering for the sins of the Nation. This sacrifice was in the Temple, in the Most Holy of Holy places with the Ark of the Convent.
There is no prophecy, that I can find, that mentions a third Temple. There is the prophecy concerning the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple, when the people returned from exile.
There can be no separate future for Jews and the church. Ephesians clearly state that Jesus has made the two groups (Jew and Gentile) into one “new man” by His work on the cross. Both have peace and access to God through Holy Spirit.
For there to be a separate future for Jews and the church, the work of Jesus on the cross must be undone, His peace, bought with His blood, must be broken and the one “new man” must be torn apart.
That is impossible.
peace to you
Yes ... I share that understanding of the purpose of the red heifer.
I also agree there is no separate future ...ultimately .. .but clearly there has been a different path to the same realization “Jesus Saves.”
I appreciate your reference to Ephesians ... likewise the “grafting” of Gentiles with the Jews in Romans 11.
AFA prophesy for the 3rd Temple ... consider Daniel 9: (26-27) ... the prince that is to come, stops the (recently renewed) sacrifices and Revelation 11 John measures the Temple ... but leaves-out the outer courts.
Some argue the Daniel 9 is of “Herod’s Temple” where the sacrifice was stopped and I agree the destruction of the 2nd Temple is prophesied here and by Jesus Himself (Matt 24:2, Mark 13:12, Luke 21:6) but the stopping of the sacrifice? That wasn’t then because this cessation is related to the 7 year firm covenant, not the sacrifice which was in progress from the construction of “Herod’s Temple.”
What is John measuring? Did The Spirit take John into the past to measure the Temple destroyed 20 years prior?
What Temple did Ezekiel measure? In his day, there was no Temple ever. What Temple has the Holy and the profane thing separated by a 500 reed wall? 42:20
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So, I agree with most of your post, but I don’t understand how the reconstruction of the Temple/resumption of the “killings” presumes to undo Christ’s work. I do not suggest the “resumed sacrifice” does anything but slaughter animals. It cannot remit sin for that WAS finished, completely, by Jesus Himself.
That doesn’t mean the Jews won’t build a 3rd Temple.
And read about the smoke of acceptable sacrifice rising straight up ... and those which were rejected (for various reasons) having the smoke remain low.
I think when these sacrifices resume, with all the great anticipation of the orthodox ... who at least initially are grateful to the man who confirms the strong covenant with many (Dan 9:27) ... the smoke of that burning will probably choke everyone around it ... the smoke’s height will be the height of the altar, and then fall/spread-out from there. rejected because Jesus’ sacrifice was sufficient and complete.
That’s when the “cheese binds” ... rejected by God “because of the Messianic Jews” they’ll say. Their persecution will be first to be “amped-up” ... that is when the Two Wings of a great eagle will take them to the prepared place “for a time, times and half a time.” Per Rev 12.
canadyjd
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First, John is measuring the Temple in Heaven where God’s throne is. The outer courts are for the Gentiles. The inner courts for descendants of Jacob.
Second, there mo separate “path” for Jews and Christians. There is one “path” that goes through Jesus and His church.
I didn’t say rebuilding the Temple destroys the work of Jesus on the cross.
I said, according to Ephesians, both groups (Jew and Gentile) are “one new man” by Christ work on the cross. Both have peace with God through Jesus. That is the work that must be undone to have a separate future for Jews.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the “Law and the prophets”. I believe He succeeded in His stated mission. All the OT prophecies you keep quoting have been fulfilled by the coming of Jesus.
Do you believe Jesus failed to fulfill the “Law and the “Prophets” as He said? Which OT prophecy did Jesus fail to fulfill?
peace to you
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HMM. I’ve never heard this understanding ... paralleling what Ezekiel was given is more consistent than a Temple in Heaven. I understand our bodies are the Temple,right? Won’t we live with God as Adam/Eve once did?
(IDK why I can’t copy/reply now ... )
Don’t put too much into “separate paths” ... I said all come into their knowledge “Jesus Saves” ... how does that confer anything other than Jesus is the Way The Truth and The Life?
Think testimonies. There are literally billions of different testimonies and I eagerly anticipate hearing ‘em all and telling my own ... to worship the King of kings. The uniqueness of the Jews is as the gentile’s “test bed demonstrator” ... they showed us NO MAN can uphold The Law, in spite of the Levitical process, we cannot do it.
The manchild’s birth, you’re right. First was the resurrection of Jesus, then will be The Church. Totally agree with you.
I think there is ample reason to consider what is written means a 3rd Temple on Temple Mount. Ez 43 tells of our Triune God occupying this place for some period of time ... BEFORE antichrist’s abomination.
canadyjd
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John was caught into heaven. He saw God on the throne. The Angel gave him a rod and told him to measure the Temple. Why would anyone think the Temple he measured was anywhere other than where he was…. In heaven.
Hard to imagine a “separate path” that “ultimately” leads to salvation in Jesus meaning anything else but a separate path to salvation for Jews and Christians which contradicts Ephesians.
I don’t know who you are quoting with the phrase “test bed demonstrators”, but it isn’t a passage of scripture that I’m familiar with.
Your understanding of Ezekiel has God taking His place of glory in the “3rd Temple” for some period of time before anti-Christ runs Him off His throne.
Do you really believe anti-Christ runs God out of His Temple?
peace to you
I said why. It is consistent with Ezekiel’s experience.
i didn’t say God is run-off (my oil field term) from the Temple.
“test bed” is also my term. I think it’s reasonably accurate.
this medium is getting the best of us methinks.
if the 3rd temple isn’t what Ezekiel saw which one was it?
someone here supposed it’s the 2nd as it was supposed to be ???
canadyjd
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So, instead of letting John’s description of measuring the Temple in heaven (where scripture tells us he was) explain that Ezekiel was speaking of God’s Temple in heaven. you pull it out of that context to support a 3rd Temple on earth.
I believe you are looking very narrowly at passages of scripture that God intended to be taken symbolically and attempting exhaustive mental gymnastics to prove them literal.
In doing so, you are denying many passages that very clearly contradict your thinking.
I appreciate your comments, but disagree.
Thanks for the conversation
peace to you
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Red Heifer. Funny. That's what my 7 year old calls Jen Saki.
canadyjd
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You may be right
but can you help me understand EZ 42 & 43 if those buildings aren’t literal?
What scriptures refute their being literal structures. Thanks
canadyjd
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Ezekiel is recounting a vision he had. In 43:7, God tells him that was the place of His throne, where He places His feet, and where He will dwell with Israel forever.
Is God dwelling with Israel forever on the earth, or in heaven?
In heaven. The vision is of the Temple in heaven.
peace to you