Refuting Catholics...Scripture or Chick tracts?

Despite all that you have writ Mike I shall keep you in my prayers this night.....

 

How about using Scriptures to convince Mike that he is wrong about Catholics ?

 

How about using Scriptures to convince Mike that he is wrong about Catholics ? </font>[/QUOTE]Herein lies the problem, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is chock full of Scripture. I have a copy of the Catechism and every statement the Catholic Church makes is referenced, then cross-referenced with scripture, then backed up by the Early Church Fathers and Tradition.

So what will happen now is a merry-go-round…that interpretation of Scripture is wrong and my interpretation is right.

Sola Scriptura fails…

PS…This is my last post here at BB for at least 2 to 3 weeks, my family and I are moving and I am starting a new job, God provides, even if one is a Catholic sympathizer...

Blessings to all…

 

God be with you and your family, riverm.

Mike,

No. Far more accurate to say "My interpretation of Scripture says this...but the RCC's interpretation of Scripture says that." As riverm has said, the catechism is carefully referenced with Scripture verses. With what basis and authority do you assert that your interpretation is correct and the RCC's wrong and that therefore their doctrines are false and yours are true?

 

In reality we ALL (all denominations) have our own man-made interpretations.

In this case the RCC's is more divergent than is baptist doctrine!

But Matt has a valid point - we are all interpreting scripture and thereby stamping God's approval on our doctrinal systems. For this reason we must be careful not to spend too much time bashing other denominations.

 

How about using Scriptures to convince Mike that he is wrong about Catholics ? </font>[/QUOTE]Why bother.....I am not a canonical lawyer and despite all the information available about Catholicism a lot of folk tend to believe in rumor and failings of the human beings within the RCC.

Prayer is a very powerful tool and to pray for someone and enlightenment is by far more useful. My scriptual basis for this is Jesus in His agony in the garden and the comfort of an angel sent to Him by His Father.

 

Gods testimony found in Gods scriptures.

When Almighty God says...this.

And sinful men contradict and say...that.

Then men are wrong and God is correct.

Grace and peace,

Mike </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, but you haven't answered the question: how are we to determine between the two using just Scripture? You have your interpretation, I have mine, the CC have theirs, etc

 

I agree with you...to an extent.

The scriptures tell us (in Romans 14 and others)that regarding non-foundational "periferal" issues of disagreement, that we are to keep this in mind....

"Therefore let your brother be fully convinced in his own mind...who are you to judge anothers servant. To his own master he will stand or fall, and God will make him stand."

Of course its a good and profitable thing for...as one example...the Calivinists and the Arminians to argue their views and convictions. Its Gods "checks and balances" system. The free-willers keep the predestination folks from becoming out of balance, and the predestination folks keep the free-willers from going out of balance.

Nothing wrong with that at all. But we acknowledge that these are brothers and sisters in the faith, and co-laborers in the harvest. These are in house disgreements, but we still stand shoulder to shoulder against blasphemous false groups.

But when foundational doctrines are being disregarded and replaced with heresy, idolatry, and blasphemy...as the Catholics are guilty of...then its a different story. In those cases we are to take a stand and condemn those false teachings and doctrines.

God bless,

Mike </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, but what you are saying could equally be applied to foundational doctrines.

 

I'll be honest most of what I have seen is Baptist twisting scripture to fit their theological preconceptions and RCC twisting Scripture to fit their theological preconceptions with the use of ECF's to demonstrate historisity. On some things the Baptist has been right on others the RCC has been right. Lately though I have only seen reguritations of Jack Chick propoganda and polemics, i.e. refering to the doctrine of Transubstantiation as a magic trick and originating from Egyptian sun god worship.

 

Despite D28guy's claims I have relatively recently seen people on this board use Dave Hunt, Ellen White, Charles Chiniquy, J.M. Carroll, Alexander Hislop and cardinal Hosius as authorities in their condemnation of Catholicism.
Now much of this merely served as icing on a cake of Bible quotes (with a sauce of badly quoted Roman Catholic sources), but it's not like the Protestant section of this board serves up clear straightforward Scripture and nothing but clear straightforward Scripture in it's critique of the RCC.

 

RCC can simply prove that the bread and wine are turned to be flesh and blood by showing them and show the test result as Jesus proved His resurrection to Thomas.

Chick is not the only source for such information. But some groups like Aramaic primacists are neutral but they say that the Priests in the East were called as Canna, and they were worshipping their son gods and Baal and offered the human body and blood too. After the sacrifice, they ate the rest of the human body and drank the blood and they were called Canna-Baal, which eventually became Cannibal.
Even in Egypt the priests lifted up the cookies to their gods, like Osiris, Horus, Isis, in the same way as Holy Roman Catholic priests lift up the cookies and offer them to their goddess, Holy Mother of gods ! Only the labels are changed but the substance of the goddess worship and solar god worship, human body celebration have not changed !

 

You really are making up this nonsense as you go along, aren't you?

 

Stop sucking the blood on the floor of the human body slaughter house !

 

The Church of Rome has 4 Marian Dogma which are binding on all Catholics.

The Fifth Marian Dogma was mentioned in another thread. Many of high rank in the Fold are pushing for it. Many Catholic practices of veneration and prayers to Mary already incorporate the following principles.

The Fifth Marian Dogma states that Mary is the Co-Redemptrix with Christ, the Mediatrix of all God's graces and the Advocate of God.

After all the Orwellian double-speak of the Church of Rome theologians concerning Marian dogma (and others) these Scriptures will forever speak the truth.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Of course I love Mary, but Jesus set certain priorities when it came to her place in the plan of salvation for the human race.

Luke 11:27
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Luke 4:8 ... it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

And here is the only commandment of Mary recorded in the Scripture:

John 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

Good advice for Catholics as well as anyone else.

HankD

 

OK, I now have absolutely no idea what you're on about Are you on medication or something (NB Semi-serious question)?

 

Matt, if you continue to defend for the murderers and condemn me as non-sense without reason, I can only say that you are sucking the blood on the floor of slaughter house of the people whom you are defending,because they tortured and killed the innocent people just because they have different conviction of faith.
You may not understand the problem with it until you reach the final judgment and unfortunately if you continue to do so, you will taste such painful torturing for billion years and the more in the Hell.
No righteous man condone and defend the murderers against innocent people.