Rick Warren & "Resisters", Those Believers Who Refuse To Change

Wow...wouldn't that be remarkable that the Bible would actually be true. As you say we can see this already today. The "professing church" as you call it is just like the Pharisees and Saducees of the NT times and they don't even see it.

It cracks me up when people talk about persecution, because they always speak of it in a sense that it will come from unsaved individuals and other religions, but a great bit of the persecution in the NT, especially to most of the apostles and Christ was at the hands of saved individuals.

 

Totally agree! Its like following the Pied Piper off into disaster though none of them see what is happening! So many pastors are following this same pattern, leaning the congregations off into shallow easy believism forumlas that have no scriptural basis! Seems we've entered what Amos termed the 'famine of the word' where motivational talks are the order of the day and self interest and self satisfaction reigns supreme! God have mercy!! People need to get into the bible deeply and see what God has to say to them, to know Him and not the professors who desire to keep them happy and make them feel good about themselves!!

 

IveyLeaguer, could you post the quote for us who don't know what it was? Thanks.

 

I would hardly lump purpose driven into the category of "professing church". This just shows ignorance about Rick Warren's ministry.

 

Opinions vary...

 

Oh look mom... ANOTHER Rick Warren thread....


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Jamie

 

He doesn't imply that at all, this is what you read out of it. Cultures change. If you think it's sinful to change along with culture, go back to wearing a robe and sandals as were worn in the very first church.

The saying "ignorance is bliss" doesn't apply when slandering a fellow believer's ministry. It's obvious you have a vandetta against RW, as do many "resisters". Warren may call them resisters, I call them "legalists". Not once EVER has he said to follow him, or listen to him rather than the Word of God, or to sign a "covenant" to not question what they are taught. This is a flat out lie. Like I said prior...spoken from ignorance.

 

The thing we need to remind ourselves is this

There's been "Purpose Driven" ideas and movements long before Rick Warren was in diapers---there was Purpose Driven in the '50's, 60's, & 70's(long before Warren was even old enough to shave!!!)

When Warren's fad passes away and when Warren is laying down in a fixed horizontal position permanitely---the idea will take off from somebody else who'll rise up from "Store Front to Mega Church"---the guy will write a book and it'll take off like a F-18 Hornet from the flight deck of the Kitty Hawk!!!! and folks will follow the new kid on the block and 100 years from now will be askin'----"Rick Warren??? Who in Sam Hill is he????"

Blackbird

 

Thanks for the heads-up. It is scary.

As I have said on here before, I volunteered to teach a Bible study group based on the purpose driven life. What I ended up doing was spending most of my time correcting Rick Warren's errors. By the time the Bible study ended, I volunteered to teach a couple more classes to offset the damage. This led to a falling out between me and the church, and I left.

I'm so glad some other people can see just how lethal this garbage is.

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It's NOT there...its' what you want it to say. Have you ever heard him speak or even read any of his books?

Exactly. I would like you to list what is not biblical about the five purposes, with Scripture, please.

Again, if there is so much error thay you have discerned from the Bible, it should be no problem listing Scripture that states RW's five purposes are not biblical, instead of personal opinions.

That's what you accused him of saying.

Legalistic views...pants on women are sin, drinking alcohol is sin, not wearing ties to church is sin, you get the picture.

Strawman argument, as this is NOT the change RW is talking about.

Yes, because John Macarthur is the authority to judge RW on...

Are you insinutating an anarchist approach to church leadership? You don't believe God has appointed leaders in a church to...get this...LEAD? The "membership covenant" is a personal covenant signed by a member who WANTS to join the church. For the great autonomous arguments I hear here on the BB, autonomy applies at Saddleback as well. I would rather have the leadership of the church govern the church, as congregationally ran churches are not the biblical model (see Acts). To bash RW for what he does at his church, when other pastors do similar things within their four walls is foolish.

Assumption only, not fact. The only ones I would see this applying to are reformers who HATE the fact that all men were created for a purpose (and it's not destruction as is falsely taught).

And what is that? You have yet to post a verse that disproves anything.

After the bashing of RW here on the BB, I have investigated it for myself, even reading the book and listening to RW preach. I have yet to see anything that would categorize his ministry as apostacy. This usually comes from the KJVO's and reformers.

 

...were you pointing out his errors as they pertain to calvinism, or errors as they pertain to the Bible, because biblically its' accurate. A reformer cannot support the PDL, as it goes against everything calvinism teaches. You are the perfect example of what ivyleaguer was talking about in regards to who leaves the church.

 

You're right that it goes against everything Calvinism teaches! Thank the Lord for that! 'Calvinism' is another word for scriptural truth! PDL is another word for fluff! Calvinism is solely God centered! PDL is totally man-centered, feel good, do good, be nice to people but totally lacking in strong theology of scripture! The whole problem is that it doesnt get to the heart of the matter which is "SIN" and man's need for a Savior. It never addresses God's wrath and without being cognizant of God's wrath there is no awareness of a need for 'mercy'! In being aware of our need for mercy in coming to God in faith we can see the totaly awesomeness of a high and holy God and as we see our life being changed we fall in humility before Him with great gratitude that He has saved us by His mercy from the wrath to come!
Today so many are being led by false teachers who are preaching a social gospel and those listening are never made aware of their great sinfulness and/or need to repent!
Its truly an 'easy-believism' and sadly does not bring people to true faith in Christ according to scripture!

 

Another reformer chimes in with inaccurate information. That makes three already. Any others?

At least 2bhizown has told me something that I always had suspected. Reformers believe calvinism = Scripture. And you have the gall to call PDL man centered? :laugh:

 

All you have to do is read this thread, and the hundreds like it that bash fellow believers.

 

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Thank you for this OP. Please consider my poll "Which three do not belong on the list" in the polls section.

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