Romans 11:17

Rom 11:7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded


If the Election were saved, who are the rest that were blinded????

 

I know but who are the "rest" who were blinded??

 

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Well, if they were non-elect, then they don't have a chance of being saved, do they?

Wonder why Apostle Paul thought they could be saved??

Romans 11:
8: (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9: And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.
11: I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12: Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?
13: For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

BBob,

 

Romans 11:
8: (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9: And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.
11: I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles

How many times did God cause them to slumber and blind them. I only know of one time, do you know of another?

BBob,

 

Rom 11:7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Romans 11:
8: (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see,
14: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.



and You are the one who said they were the non-elect, along with TC;

Paul is saying that he might save some of the very ones who were blinded, that you called the non-elect.

BBob,

 

This is your post, where you call them Non-elect.

This is your post now where you are saying they could be the elect, When the previous passage says the elect were saved.

I mean to try and separate verses 7 and 8 from 14, is just out of this world.

Also, if the blinded were non-elect, then how can there be "fulness of the gentiles" where they will be saved. Unless you agree with me and salvation is to all men who believe that Jesus is the Christ.

BBob,

 

Okay, this is my last shot at this. If we don't agree, we don't agree. I'm fine with that.

This is a snapshot in time:

What then? Israel [as a whole, as of this moment] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election [those of Israel that are elect, the remnant] hath obtained it, and the rest [who were not elect, as of this moment] were blinded. Which you called the non-elect.

In short, not all Israel has been rejected at this point in time, when Paul writes this. There is still a remnant, the elect, which have obtained salvation. But Israel, for the most part, has been blinded.
Then the "elect" was only a small part of Israel. I disagree, there was only some branches broken off.

Scripture says those who were cutoff, will be grafted back in, so they will have to live for thousands of years, according to your theology. The most important part is that Paul wrote the passage of "fulness of the Gentiles" and he apparently believed it had already happened when he wrote this:

Paul apparently believed the "fulness of the Gentiles had already come".
Because he was going to try and save some of them who were non-elect, as you say.

See above, Paul said he might save some of them.

No where does it say that the ones cutoff will die before being grafted back in. Paul spoke in present times and was looking to graft them back in then, for he told the gentiles not to boast, and that he might save some of them.

You are now bringing in a third group of Israelites. How far will you go to keep bringing your theology up to date??

No scripture says anything about another set of "elect" will be grafted back in. He spoke of those who were blinded that you called "non-elect", would be grafted back in.

Are you saying now that "the rest" were "elect" or what.

BBob,

 

Love you too Npet; enjoy our debates.

 

Peace my brethren and sisters..............