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Ron Paul says avian flu martial law provisions are designed to destroy 2nd Amendment,

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  1. poncho

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    Infowars Network | October 12 2005
    By Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones

    Congressman Ron Paul has accused the Bush administration of attempting to set in motion a militarized police state in America by enacting gun confiscation martial law provisions in the event of an avian flu pandemic. Paul also slammed as delusional and dangerous plans to invade Iran, Syria, North Korea and China.

    Ron Paul represents the 14th Congressional district of Texas. He also serves on the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee, and the International Relations committee.

    Paul appeared on the Alex Jones show yesterday and raised some interesting points about the possibility of imminent indictments of top Bush administration figures.

    "I think there's a lot more excitement coming and it's not going to be good for the Republicans," stated Paul.
    "The things that I hear have to do with Karl Rove and Abramoff and that's much much worse than anybody would believe and it involves DeLay as well."

    "And that type of an indictment will be much more serious than the indictment of shifting campaign funds around.....there's some political infighting which could make that really interesting."

    On the subject of the police state, Paul stated, "If we don't change our ways we will go the way of Rome and I see that as rather sad.....the worst things happen when you get the so-called Republican conservatives in charge from Nixon on down, big government flourishes under Republicans."

    "It's really hard to believe it's happening right in front of us. Whether it's the torture or the process of denying habeas corpus to an American citizen."

    "I think the arrogance of power that they have where they themselves are like Communists....in the sense that they decide what is right. The Communist Party said that they decided what was right or wrong, it wasn't a higher source."

    Paul responded to President Bush's announcement last week that he would order the use of military assets to police America in the event of an avian flu outbreak.

    "To me it's so strange that the President can make these proposals and it's even plausible. When he talks about martial law dealing with some epidemic that might come later on and having forced quarantines, doing away with Posse Comitatus in order to deal with natural disasters, and hardly anybody says anything. People must be scared to death."

    Paul, himself a medical doctor, agreed that the bird flu threat was empty fearmongering.

    "I believe it is the President hyping this and Rumsfeld, but it has to be in combination with the people being fearful enough that they will accept the man on the white horse. My first reaction going from my political and medical background is that it's way overly hyped and to think that they have gone this far with it, without a single case in the whole country and they're willing to change the law and turn it into a military state? That is unbelievable! They're determined to have martial law."

    Paul opined that the martial law provisions now being promoted by the Bush administration were a direct response to people's unwillingness to relinquish their firearms, as was seen in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

    "I think they're concerned about the remnant, the remnant of those individuals who don't buy into stuff and think that they should take care of themselves on their own, that they should have their own guns and their own provisions and they don't want to depend on the government at all and I think that is a threat to those who want to hold power. They don't want any resistance to their authoritarian rule."

    Paul opined that the government was on a delusional power trip that threatened the country.

    "These guys are ready to start a war with Iran, Syria, North Korea or China. They can't possibly do that, it's so insane, we don't have the money, we don't have the troops, we probably don't even have the ammunition."

    "But, if they are truly delusional they just might do something that's totally irrational."

    Paul expressed his hope that finally some conservatives are waking up to the fact that the Bush administration is a trojan horse, especially after arch-liberal Harriet Miers was chosen by Bush to supposedly move the Supreme Court to the right, even though her record is atrocious and she has been involved in the past covering up for the Bush crime family's activities.

    SOURCE
     
    #1 poncho, Oct 12, 2005
  2. Brother James

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    Mr. Paul. Probably the only sane voice in congress. Would to God we had more men like him.
     
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    Amen to that Brother James.
     
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    On this topic, Mr Paul is off topic.

    The last US case was in November 2003, when a patient with serious underlying medical conditions was admitted to a hospital in New York with respiratory symptoms. The patient recovered, and it was never determined where exposure took place.

    As of August 2005, there have been 112 human cases of avian influenza A (H5N1) in Vietnam (90), Thailand (17), Cambodia (4), and Indonesia (1), resulting in 57 deaths reported since January 2004. Given the high density of population in these areas, the number of infected is minute.

    The OP scenario is overblown. The avian influenza outbreak in Asia is not expected to diminish significantly in the short term. It is likely that infection among birds has become endemic to the region and that human infections will continue to occur. So far, no sustained human-to-human transmission has been identified, and no evidence for genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza virus genes has been found. Deaths are likely to be in the hundreds (relatively small when compared to the overall Asian population) but fear of pandemic proportions is at this point unwarranted speculation.
     
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  5. poncho

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    So why the need for all the fearmongering then? Do we really need to have machine guns pointed at us to keep us in our homes if we're all dying from the flu as some in government and media would have us believe?

    [ October 13, 2005, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]
     
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    I'm beginning to wonder if I might have the Asian bird fru.
     
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    It's not Ron Paul in the OP that is making an overblown scenario it's the President who asked Congress to give him the authority to do away with the Posse Comitatus Act for the "bird flu".

    Paul, himself a medical doctor, agreed that the bird flu threat was empty fearmongering.

    "I believe it is the President hyping this and Rumsfeld, but it has to be in combination with the people being fearful enough that they will accept the man on the white horse. My first reaction going from my political and medical background is that it's way overly hyped and to think that they have gone this far with it, without a single case in the whole country and they're willing to change the law and turn it into a military state? That is unbelievable! They're determined to have martial law."
     
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    Don't worry FTR, someone from the government will be right over to comfort and protect you by taking your guns and liberty away. ;)
     
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    hopefurry not.
     
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    If avian flu becomes more than a threatened pandemic, it will have done so by political and economic design. This thesis is supported by current massive media misrepresentations, profiteering on risky and valueless vaccines, gross neglect of data evidencing earlier similar man-made plagues including SARS, West Nile Virus, AIDS and more; continuance of genetic studies breeding more mutant flu viruses likely to outbreak, inside trading scandals involving pandemic savvy White House and drug industry officials, curious immunity of these pharmaceutical entities over the past century to law enforcement and mainstream media scrutiny, and published official depopulation objectives. With the revelations and assertions advanced herein, the public is forewarned against this physician assisted mass murder best termed "iatrogenocide."* This genocidal imposition is expected to serve mainly economic and political depopulation objectives.


    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml


    To make the human vaccine specific for the H5N1 mutant virus, you must start with the human virus which does not yet exist, except in perhaps military-biomedical-pharmaceutical laboratories. In fact, this is precisely what is being prepared based on news reports. To produce the human pathogen, the avian virus must be cultured for lengthy periods of time in human cell cultures, then injected into monkey and ultimately humans to see if these experimental subjects get the same feared flu. Thus, the flu virus the world currently fears most is either: 1) now being prepared in labs paid by industrialists with massive wealth-building incentives to "accidentally" release the virus; or 2) has already been prepared in such labs to take advantage of this current fright and future sales following the virus's release.
     
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    How exactly does man create a virus ?
     
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  12. Ed Edwards

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    Politics
    Ron Paul says avian flu martial law provisions are designed
    --- to destroy 2nd Amendment,

    Poncho: //Do we really
    need to have machine guns pointed at us to keep us in our homes
    if we're all dying from the flu as some in government and media
    would have us believe?//

    I think it would be sufficient to arrest the top 2,000
    rumor mongerors on the Internet. Don't even have to arrest
    the 'top dogs', just the ones who put the links to the
    rumor mongerors.

    Here is some MSM = Main Stream Media, Editorial/opinions
    about 'Avian Flu'.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-10-13-opinionline_x.htm

    snippet:

    //John Barry, author of The Great Influenza, in Time magazine: "Even the mildest virus would slam the economy harder now than at any time in the past. ... When a surge of patients overwhelms a hospital already understaffed because of sickness, massive disruptions result. How prepared are we for all that? Not very. To its credit, this administration has struggled to get ahead of the curve. ... And the administration has left huge holes in our preparedness. After years of delays, a pandemic plan still needs to be finished."//

    Remember the outcry that there was 'no plan of the US
    government' to deal with a major hurricane hit on
    New Orleans? What about no plan when we are six months
    into a pandemic and there are 3,000,000 dead in
    the USofA? I think to many are playing a game of
    'damned if you do, and damned if you don't with
    the US Government. If i really thought any of you
    are paying more for the operation of the US Government
    than i do - i might cut some slack. I cheerfully
    donated over 16,000$ last year DIRECTLY to pay for
    the US Government.
     
    #12 Ed Edwards, Oct 14, 2005
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    The link in the post three notches back:
    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml
    denotes a site that frequently violates the following scripture:

    Phi 4:7-8 (KJV1611 Edition):
    And the peace of God which passeth all vnderstanding,
    shall keepe your hearts & minds through Christ Iesus.
    8 Finally, brethren, whatsoeuer things are true,
    whatsoeuer things are honest,
    whatsoeuer things are iust,
    whatsoeuer things are pure,
    whatsoeuer things are louely,
    whatsoeuer things are of good report:
    if there bee any vertue,
    and if there bee any praise,
    thinke on these things:

    IMHO this link should not be allowed on this board.
    It is a link to antichrist spoilers, sources of
    disinformation, etc. :(
     
    #13 Ed Edwards, Oct 14, 2005
  14. Phillip

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    Thank you Ed for the link. It certainly exceeds the credibility of educate-yourself.org.

    For those of you who have not seen it--I highly advise that you go to the front page of educate-yourself.org and take a look at all of the stories they cover. It is enlightening.

    Poncho, why do you believe these conspiracy theories? Isn't it obvious that much of it (about 99%) is inaccurate? It is no different than reading the tabloid "News" at the grocery store where aliens are caught shaking hands with President Bill Clinton.
     
    #14 Phillip, Oct 14, 2005
  15. Ed Edwards

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    The link in the OP = opening post:
    http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/ron_paul_slams_bush_gun_con.htm
    denotes a site that violates the following scripture:

    Phi 4:7-8 (KJV1611 Edition):
    And the peace of God which passeth all vnderstanding,
    shall keepe your hearts & minds through Christ Iesus.
    8 Finally, brethren, whatsoeuer things are true,
    whatsoeuer things are honest,
    whatsoeuer things are iust,
    whatsoeuer things are pure,
    whatsoeuer things are louely,
    whatsoeuer things are of good report:
    if there bee any vertue,
    and if there bee any praise,
    thinke on these things:

    IMHO this link should not be allowed on this board.
    It is a link to antichrist spoilers, sources of
    disinformation :(
     
    #15 Ed Edwards, Oct 14, 2005
  16. Phillip

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    Sorry Ed, I was typing when you posted. I advised people to review the link, but only because most people intelligent enough to read will understand.
     
    #16 Phillip, Oct 14, 2005
  17. poncho

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    What's obvious is that you can't prove 99% is inaccurate so you have to resort to this kind of propaganda to demonize the opposition and try to hyjack the thread. :rolleyes:


    I take it the lobbying effort to have me banned from BB isn't going so well eh Ed? [​IMG]
     
    #17 poncho, Oct 15, 2005
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    Guess you prefer to be "enlightened" by the mainstream media with all the nifty occult symbols proudly displayed in their logos eh?

    Time Warner and CBS with the "all seeing eye" (of Horus?) and AOL with the pyramid that also has the "all seeing eye" in the middle. How is it that an intelligent Christian such as yourself can miss these mystical occult signals that are plainly displayed for all to see?

    Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

    Ephesians 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

    Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

    Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

    Ephesians 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

    Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

    Ephesians 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

    Ephesians 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

    Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

    Ephesians 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

    Ephesians 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

    Ephesians 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord [is].

    Main Entry: re·prove
    Pronunciation: ri-'prüv
    Function: verb
    Inflected Form(s): re·proved; re·prov·ing
    Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French reprover, from Late Latin reprobare to disapprove, condemn, from Latin re- + probare to test, approve -- more at PROVE
    transitive senses
    1 : to scold or correct usually gently or with kindly intent
    2 : to express disapproval of : CENSURE &lt;it is not for me to reprove popular taste -- D. W. Brogan&gt;
    3 obsolete : DISPROVE, REFUTE
    4 obsolete : CONVINCE, CONVICT
    intransitive senses : to express rebuke or reproof
    - re·prov·er noun
    - re·prov·ing·ly /-'prü-vi[ng]-lE/ adverb
    synonyms REPROVE, REBUKE, REPRIMAND, ADMONISH, REPROACH, CHIDE mean to criticize adversely. REPROVE implies an often kindly intent to correct a fault &lt;gently reproved my table manners&gt;. REBUKE suggests a sharp or stern reproof &lt;the papal letter rebuked dissenting clerics&gt;. REPRIMAND implies a severe, formal, often public or official rebuke &lt;reprimanded by the ethics committee&gt;. ADMONISH suggests earnest or friendly warning and counsel &lt;admonished by my parents to control expenses&gt;. REPROACH and CHIDE suggest displeasure or disappointment expressed in mild reproof or scolding &lt;reproached him for tardiness&gt; &lt;chided by their mother for untidiness&gt;.

    Merriam-Webster

    Do you really wish to spend your time reproving someone that is trying to reprove the works of darkness?
     
    #18 poncho, Oct 15, 2005
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    Ah yes, let us forget all about the First Amendment and arrest ALL who don't toe the party line.
     
    #19 NaasPreacher (C4K), Oct 15, 2005
  20. Ed Edwards

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    Not a problem. I made
    no formal request to squelch this inane
    converstation. When the forces of darkenss
    suck the light off the earth, it is only
    preparing the antichrist way.

    As usual, 80% will figure stuff out right and
    only the other 20% will be deluded. [​IMG]
     
    #20 Ed Edwards, Oct 15, 2005
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