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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jul 5, 2023.

  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Revealing Grace + Repentance + Faith + Election + Spiritual Baptism + Conversion + Indwelling = Salvation + Good Works


    Where:

    Revealing Grace = hearing and understanding the call through the gospel of Christ.

    Repentance + Faith = turning from our self-centered life to trusting in Christ alone with our life, now and forever.

    Election = God choosing for salvation those whose faith He credits as righteousness.

    Spiritual Baptism = God sets a person apart by placing them spiritually “in Christ.”

    Conversion = Once “in Christ” a person undergoes the circumcision of Christ and arises “in Christ” a new creation, created for good works. It is a spiritual work of God, not us changing our minds.

    Indwelling = After God puts us spiritually in Christ, He seals us with the Holy Spirit forever. The Holy Spirit provides each born anew (converted) believer with light to understand the meat of God’s word, awareness of the will of God, and brings to mind our sins such that we are convicted. As we grow more mature, we will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.

    Salvation = First our "spiritual baptism into Christ" results in "positional sanctification" freeing us from the penalty of sin; Next as our indwelt Holy Spirit leads us from new born Christian to Christian maturity describes our "progressive sanctification" freeing us from the power of sin; and finally our adoption in glorified bodies at Christ's second coming results in our "ultimate sanctification" freeing us from the presence of sin.

    Good Works = reflects our accomplishments for Christ after our positional sanctification and conversion during the remainder of our physical lifetime. If we build on Christ's foundation, we will enter heaven "abundantly" but if our "good works" burn up like straw, we still enter heaven, but as one escaping from a fire.
     
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    "This formula for immortality will never work. You left out the incantation which must be verbalized."

    "You left out the water also [Mark 16:16]. Think about it, if you don't get this formula 'just right' it could mean infinity in a torture chamber for who knows how many."

    Help: The Gospel Presented in 280 Characters
     
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    Yet another taint so post, larded with obfuscation (incantation which must be verbalized) and biblical misrepresentation (Mark 16:16), as the baptism of Mark 16:16 is our spiritual baptism addressed in the formula.
     
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    9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
    10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10

    The above 'formula for immortality' is far more concise and accurate than yours. No where in your pitifully inadequate 'formula', that could send millions to hell, is verbal confession, belief in the resurrection, or water baptism to be saved even mentioned.

    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

    38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    39 For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.
    40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

    20 that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:
    21 which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pet 3

    You need to take your formula back to the drawing board Van. Many could perish eternally due to your incompetence.
     
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    Yet more obfuscation, how can we confess what we have never heard?
    Does confessing audibly result in salvation? No, of course not. Salvation does not depend on the person who wills or does things (confesses) but upon God who calls (transfers) person into salvation in Christ.
     
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    ??? ....with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    Don't fool yourself Van, everything you post is about what one must do to get God to 'transfer' or 'credit'.
     
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    Reminds me of the the Pelagianism I grew up with in the Church of Christ.
     
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    ...complicated too.
     
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    That is a hallmark of conditionalism that bases salvation to some degree on man'e efforts instead of the free, sovereign grace of God in Christ Jesus. False gospels get away from the simplicity that is in the true Christ, the true Jesus, of the Bible: 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
     
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    What part of salvation does not depend on the people who do things (confess) do you not understand.
     
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    Yes another taint so, name calling by implication, nothing burger from the Calvinists. Go figure.
     
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    8 Salvation belongeth unto Jehovah: Thy blessing be upon thy people. Selah Ps 3

    30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:
    31 that, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Cor 1

    20 for every one who is doing wicked things hateth the light, and doth not come unto the light, that his works may not be detected;
    21 but he who is doing the truth doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.`Jn 3 YLT

    Salvation Is of the Lord by Steven Lawson (ligonier.org)
     
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    I am not a Calvinist. I believe in the Biblical soteriology of salvation by the free, sovereign grace of God in Christ Jesus.
     
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    "Salvation Formula"? Salvation is not like baking cookies. Just more conditionalist nonsense like I grew up with in the Church of Christ and its Pelagianism.
     
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    Salvation formula:

    God: From start to finish, salvation is THE Work of God. God makes it happen and He never fails.

    Everything else is man centered speculation attempting to grasp the Divine.

    peace to you
     
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    Revealing Grace = hearing and understanding the call through the gospel of Christ.

    Are we called, invited, asked to believe based on God's gracious revelation? Yes

    Is this man-centered or God centered? God centered.
     
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    If salvation is focused upon what people do in hearing, being invited, understanding the gospel then it’s man centered.

    If salvation is focused on what God does with God the Father choosing, God the Son providing His sacrifice, God Holy Spirit regenerating and convicting of the Truth of sin and of the gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified and generating faith with the person of Jesus as its object…

    …That is the God centered, biblical supported salvation “formula”.

    peace to you
     
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    If all people activities, such as presenting the gospel as His ambassadors, affirmatively responding to the gospel, understanding the invitation of the gospel, do not cause God to choose to save the person, it is not people centered, but God centered.
     
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    You are correct.

    If God responds to what people do in choosing them for salvation… that is man centered salvation.

    If mankind responds to what God has done, as articulated above, with faith in Jesus… that is God centered salvation.

    peace to you
     
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    It’s called being at the mercy of God or grace

    salvation is something that God does to us and for us
     
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