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Satan and sin

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by menageriekeeper, Mar 14, 2008.

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  1. menageriekeeper

    menageriekeeper Active Member

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    From the sin and salvation thread(http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=47811):
    Now, I lost track of exactly what they were argu--I mean discussing over on that thread and I don't want this one to dissolve into a continuation of that thread, but this one post caught my eye and now I'm curious.

    I've never actually heard that sin comes from Satan. I was taught that sin comes from the heart of man (the heart of man is decietful and desperately evil). Sooo, can we have some scripture for and against this idea.

    You know, it does seem that I've heard an idea that if Satan and his ilk were taken out of the world humanity would straighten itself out, but would this actually be the case? I have my doubts, but I'm not sure scripture ever speaks of this being a possiblity either.

    The other thing I'm curious about is this whole omnipresence of Satan idea. Yeas, nays? Let's hear some arguements about this possibility as well.

    One more question that seems to flow from this line of conversation: If Satan had never rebelled would sin have entered this world? Another way, without temptation, would it ever have occured to Eve to eat the fruit or Adam to outright disregard what God had told him?

    I realize that much of this will be speculation, but I'm bored tonight so speculate away.
     
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  2. Brother Bob

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    1Jo 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    BBob,
     
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  3. menageriekeeper

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    Hmmm, this appears to catagorize the now sinful human into the same group as Satan (namely those who reject their Creator), but seems to fall short of the claim that Satan is directly causing mankind's sin. I may be mistaking the idea you were trying to convey. But, if Satan is the direct cause of man's sin, why would God hold us responsible? Satan giving out temptation, I accept, Satan controlling my thoughts and causing me to sin, weeeellllll, nope, not accepting that, excepting in the case of the "reprobate mind". Seems I'm responsible for the actions that result from satan's temptation and all he can really do is try to trick me into disobeying God.
     
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  4. DHK

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    In the Millennial Kingdom Satan will be bound for a thousand years. He and his demons will have no influence on anyone at that time. Jesus will rule as king over all the world with a rod of iron. Yet even then, at the end of a thousand years, when Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit, he will be able to muster up a great army from the earth that will turn against Christ and rebel against Him. That shows the depravity of man's heart, and his willingness to follow Satan without his influence. After a thousand years of the influence of God alone, they are still willing to follow Satan.
     
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  5. Brother Bob

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    No, it shows who you choose to be your master. If you sin, you surely are not choosing God, but you are choosing satan.

    Mat 6:24¶No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
     
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  6. menageriekeeper

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    That's kind of a scary thought, DHK. :eek: It's hard to imagine generations of people who have always been directly exposed to Christ Himself, suddenly turning against Him.

    Does Satan(or one of his minions) have to be present for sin to occur?
     
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  7. DHK

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    The meaning of mammon is "money".
    It does not mean "Satan."
    You choose to serve God or self. The battle is between serving God and self. In reality Satan is out of the picture. You can't blame him for your failures. How dare you make Satan your escape goat! What an excuse for a sin!

    "The devil made me do it! The devil me do it! The devil made me do it! said the little girl as she ran down the road screaming.
    Yeah, right!
     
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  8. Brother Bob

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    The evil spirit does. IMO and that is of the devil.

    Did anyone sin during the thousand year reign, while satan was bound?

    BBob,
     
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  9. DHK

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    Romans 7:24-25 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
    but with the flesh the law of sin.

    Paul did not say that his battle was between his mind and Satan, but rather between the mind and the flesh.
    With the mind he served the law of God.
    With the flesh he served the law of sin.

    Satan has nothing to do with it. You make the decisions entirely apart from Satan.
     
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  10. DHK

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    The Bible speaks of Christ "ruling with a rod of iron" and of perfect justice being meted out.
    If there was perfect justice, and if he had to rule with a rod of iron, one would expect that there would have to be sins to be committed. One cannot rule in a case that requires justice to be meted out unless a crime or an offence has been committed.
     
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    Sin does come from the lust of the FLESH.. not Satan.

    Satan (or imps) tempts our flesh.. but we cannot blame satan for our sin.
    We sin because we lust.

    In these verses, it is plain to see that sin is born out of our flesh.. the lust of our flesh... NOT from Satan...

    Don't give Satan glory by blaming him for our faults...
    He would love to get all the credit... but we do it to ourselves...

    James 1:14-15
    (14)     But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
    (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
     
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  12. Brother Bob

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    The question is Satan a part of that lust.

    BBob,
     
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    2Th 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (satan, my words)

    BBob,
     
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    I'm not sure how this applies, Bro. Bob. :confused:
     
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    Who tempted the Lord Himself??

    Mat 4:1¶Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

    Hbr 4:15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.

    This is a new one one me, that sin does not have anything to do with satan. There is only two masters, you are following one or the other.

    BBob,
     
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    The other is self, Bob. Man's worst enemy is himself. Don't blame Satan for those things that YOU do.
     
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  17. menageriekeeper

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    So you think everytime I feel the urge to run down the slowpoke in the car ahead of me, that is Satan tempting me to sin, rather than an expression of my own frustration? You mean I'm not intelligent (or dumb) enough to find a way to sin without Satan's help?
     
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  18. Brother Bob

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    We all are led by a spirit DHK; You are either led by the Spirit of God, or you are led by the spirit of satan, an evil spirit. Choose ye this day, whom ye shall serve DHK.

    BBob
     
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    Absolutely............, it sure is not the good Spirit telling you that.

    BBob,
     
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  20. DHK

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    The man of sin, in this verse, refers to the anti-christ--yet to come. This verse has nothing to do with my quote--to which this was a response to:
    Examine this Scripture in Romans 7:23 Bob.
    There is no way that Satan enters into this picture.
    The choice that Paul gives is the law of God or the law of sin. And the decision is yours--not influenced by Satan--but just yours to make. Don't blame your decisions on Satan.
    Of course if you are admitting that you are demon-oppressed that is another thing.
     
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